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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Heroes At Home | |
| Is Every store doing the Heroes at Home fund raising? I am amazed how much time, effort and money is spent to raise money for this organization. Don't get me wrong I think charity giving is important, but should store management and district management be so focused on raising money? If they only put the effort and individual thinking into how to make their store money versus how to raise more money than the other stores in their district for Heroes at Home. [I think supporting the organization is a fine idea, but not at the expense of the store profit] What does everyone else feel? Does your store promote this? | |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: | |
| Yeah, they must be out for good media press from all this stuff as they are hounding us big time at my store as well. | |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: | |
| I have no problem giving to charity but what bug the hell out of me is how Sears is making this into a contest of what store raise the most and they want you to give. I won't give anything to the store however I'll send money to the org. | |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: | |
I agree, it's almost like it's credit or PAs or CSAT. I almost feel like soon they'll be calling us in and asking us why we haven't gotten X amount of dollars in contributions today. 
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: | |
| Yes, you are exactly right. We get chastised for it each morning during ready meeting. They give us a goal and if it isn't met our store coach really gets angry. That's why no one really asks at register. You get to the point where you don't even want to do this. They actually want us to make the customers give. You can't make anyone do anything they don't want to do. It's a touchy thing to begin with. (War and politics). Each and every person should have a choice and should not be badgered. | |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: hmmm | |
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I don't have access to Sears accounting or balance sheets . . . but here is an idea. Sear's takes money from customers/employees for the charity. But at this point it is technically Sears' income. Turn around and donate that income to Heros at Home. You can now write off taxes for money you never donated. If my balance sheet looked like Sears I would push the hell out of this too. Nice charity, don't get me wrong, but I imagine the annual push for this has more to do with the bottom line than basic PR.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: | |
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How is Heroes for Home nice if it's a bit misleading? We just write a check over to American Government or charity foundation who has no idea how to make the most out of what is given to them nor do they really care regardless of what they tell you.
I think it would be good IF it all went to proper places but I don't think that is happening at all. Don't you think we've spent enough over in Iraq already? I'm sure the soldiers and familes get some of this but certainly not all which really frustrates me. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: Re: hmmm | |||
Have you ever taken a basic accounting course? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: well | |
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"Have you ever taken a basic accounting course?"
It's a common practice in business to use donation dollars for fundraising as a taxable write-off. But then again my brain is far smaller and more feeble than yours. Maybe next time inform me of where my logic has gone wrong as opposed to being a smartass? By the way if you are majoring in Marketing and PR, like I am, then you learn how these things are done in modern corporations. Yes I have taken accounting but I am not an expert by any means. Just as a mentioned in the original post. sp |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: also | |
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I find it interesting on this forum that anyone who say's anything positive about Sears is sometimes attacked. Just looked at some old Major Appliance posts.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: | |
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I wasn't even going to get into this one since I have no opinion one way or the other on the actual subject of the thread but...
Since you have elected to open that particular can of worms would you care to explain how disagreeing with your premise and/or your business math constitutes an attack on you personally? I find it interesting how some people can say something positive about Sears and then when they're disagreed with or called to question on it, they claim they're being attacked or in some manner stifled. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: well | |||
Marketing and PR. Otherwise known as smoke and mirrors. Tell you what I'll do. I only had 9 credits in accounting so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and pose the question to a friend who is a CPA and a partner in one of the largest accounting firms in the world. I'll get back to you. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: hmmm | |||
If it becomes income when the company takes the money back from the employees, and then they write it off, there would be no net tax benefit from the process, would there? They just aren't paying the taxes which would have been due on this income if it wasn't donated to charity. In any case, I agree the push probably isn't driven by pure concern for the "Heros". |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: hmmm | |||
That's what I thought but our marketing and PR major seems to think otherwise. |
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The initial discussion regarding the charity was why is Sears pushing for it and so forth. I thought there might be a monetary reason behind doing so, such as taxable write-offs. Snurble if you think I am wrong then Okay. Just lay out your argument and be done with it. If I am wrong I am wrong. Why do your posts have to be rude?
Nofsdad: I guess no one was attacking me. Maybe I was a little ticked off.  If my opinion is wrong then call me on it like allhandsabandonship did. I just can't stand smartass remarks like those from snurbble. I asked my cousin who owns a medium sized manufacturing business in my state and he says this practice is common. But I don't know. Honestly I don't really care. It was just a casual opinion.
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| Rude? You think that's rude? | |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: | |
| at our store, we have a greeter on weekends to try and get donations. we're also having a bake sale, and for some odd reason a used book sale. not sure how that will turn out. also we have penny jars at each register. and annoyingly our managers cannot seem to grasp that it's "heroes at home", not "hero's at home" or better yet "hereos at home". | |