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WhatHappened,
I have no idea 'who said it' the info I referred to is part of the 26 page document in HR Hot Topics. It does not say who authored it. The document completely explains the new pay structure for those dept. and tells Managemnet how they are to handle the assoc. Anyone can read it if they chose to do so. I have no idea what you are referring to when you say 'enough lies on both parts'. 
And for your info, I NEVER post or respond to 'rumors' of any kind. I only post information that anyone else could find themselves, usually in response to a question on this forum. JL |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:49 am Post subject: | |||
this is a standard document.... If there are labor issues... ANY labor issues, as BG pointed out, the document directs store level to contact those who are professionally trained to watch out for the best of Sears, and the owners of Sears, stockholders.... Almost everyone on this forum is an owner of Sears... It is NOT Sears policy to eliminate employees who do not share any specific pattern other than non performance. It IS the expressed intent (as also expressed in the document) that everyone be treated with dignity and respect. Please listen to me. NO company in the position that Sears is in can survive much internal conflict.... That is why Sears has learned that the Six Sigma concept applied in the form it was was a fiasco.... Almost everyone on this forum knew that and said that from the beginning..... Too much money has been invested in the StorePerform format to pitch it all, and the StorePerform format does indeed have much that is right for business, and right for employees, and right for the company. Sears is on the right track.... It may be too late now, but it largely rests upon the Home Appliance sales team... the best in the world.... Please join the effort if you want to save Sears. If you don't, well, don't worry about it because if there are enough people who think the same way, Sears will disintegrate. The focus IS and MUST BE on SALES..... You know how to save Sears.... we all do, in our own respective jobs...... there are a few at both ends of the spectrum who have disastarously failed in judgment or effort..... cut them off..... let's make it better for everyone, and let's help this company finally make the changes it needed to make years ago.... It is in the interest of all who are professionals at our various jobs to do so. Thank you. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:47 am Post subject: | |
| No offense whathappened to sears but as i have explained to my manager before when they say "it is against sears policy" and we dont do that i simply say "The speed limit on the freeway is 65 miles per hour, which is the policy for the highway yet people continue to brake the rules" the point i am making is that a policy is just a policy it is written on a piece of paper and can be altered at any time. So please do not use policy as if it held much weight because in the end policies are pieces of paper and can be erased over and rewritten. | |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:59 am Post subject: | |||
If anyone violates Sears stated policy, put their name, or some other identifying source right here.... Do not lie, because one, it's wrong, and two, it can be regarded as slanderous or liabelous. JUST TELL THE TRUTH. If no one who can make change happen knows that policy or law is being violated, it is because people who know about the violation remain silent. The first step is to confront your local management... In almost every case, they will resolve it. If they don't contact corporate HR (NOT the ethics line). Folks, we are in a serious situation here, and we don't have time to screw around.... don't let ANYBODY walk over you. Don't let ANYBODY slack while everybody else does their job. Some people don't realize what a condition this company is in.... please realize it. We ARE on the right track, and I know Sears posted a negative SSS for many months, but it is turning around... Weak managers..... ignore them..... yes you heard me right..... ETHICAL SALES ... we must have them...... |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:09 am Post subject: | |
| Whathappened to sears but i dont know if you know much about the law but if you say something publically about someone that is negative or damaging to their image it has to be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is true and if it is not then it is salnderous and the following people saying those things can be sued for those comments. Most of us would be pretty hard press to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that a policy is being violated within sears. Take for example the policy on points. It goes on to say that sears in no way is trying to discriminate against people and has the right to do away with the point system. It also has the right (this is stated in the policy everyone signed or for those who did sign it) to not give people points based on certain circumstances which are not defined and therefore and legally given express consent for managers not to give points to someone if they deem neccesary to. You see if one persons excuse is not regarded highly but another person who said the same thing is taken seriously and not given points then who is breaking policy, or is knowone since the policy was written so loosely? Also answer me this. Sears has been around for a long time and was number one for a long time. If we could have gotten by for so many years and been number one without tear sheets and a point system then why do we need them now to help us be number one again? | |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:19 am Post subject: | |||
I don't want to discount the timely and correct points in Matrix's post just because I didn't include them in this post, and I would like to thank Matrix for an education in labor law... I was certainly underqualified before it. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:48 am Post subject: | |
| whathappened to sears i believe in you and i think we should come out and cut the fat and get rid of managers who are not following policy but it is sometimes hard to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that person did not go by policy. It can come down alot to the he said she said sort of thing. | |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:21 am Post subject: | |
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WhatHappened,
I have no idea, again, why you continue to quote my post as if I were directing something negative at you or our company. I simply answered a question someone asked, no more, no less. If you go back and read what I wrote you will notice there is no personal comment regarding the 'document' or any part of it's contents on my part anywhere in my post!! And the question was: Did the document state to interview hostile employees first? And as we both know it did. And that was my answer. So my question to you is: Why do you seem to have a problem with that and why are you directing it at me? For your information, I am loyal to company and it is my desire to see this company succeed, as it is for many other people on this forum. I go the work every day, on time and give 100 per cent plus, and have always tried to adjust to whatever 'new' policy Sears can come up with. I have kept my part of the bargin with this company which is more than I can say for the company with its' employees. Some of us are struggling to keep our heads above water with the pay cuts we have taken this past year and I certainly don't live in an area where people are overpaid as Sears would have everyone believe. 80 per cent of the people in my BC were already at the targeted earning of roughly 25.000, so guess where we are now? I would greatly appreciate it if you would not imply or even suggest, I am, or would be responsible for this companies demise. JL |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:24 am Post subject: | |
| i second that notion. We are all a team. We fall as a team and win as a team. (associates i mean, managers and ceos and execs are a whole differnt team). Good job sticking up for yourself jl and way to do it tactfully and respectfully more power to ya. | |
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Thank you for the compliment whathappned to sears. nice to get one every once in a while 
knowledge is power, who do you want to have the knowledge? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:32 am Post subject: | |
| i haven't even been alive for 20 years, but i can tell you what people my age think of sears. it's a joke. they carry lands end instead of paco, tommy, and every other popular brand of clothing. they can't match the deals on electronics at best buy. the only good thing most of them see is the crafstman warrenty. | |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:06 pm Post subject: | |
| what happen to Sears, what is your problem? No one was making anything up, read it for yourself. The truth is the truth they said take hostile workers first. They wrote out a script, read it. No one is trying to sabatoge this company. I too go to work everyday use the blue book right as much buisness as I can, to the extent of a million dollars a year. But I do not have to like or respect this company. THat pays all to the top and takes from the floor. So that is my opinion | |
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| bump again-what happen, please read response | |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 4:49 am Post subject: | |||
I believe in telling the truth and feeling the heat when it comes. I don't disagree with any above points, and certainly do not question your loyalty and work ethic. Sometimes we have to poke the dog to make sure he's still alive. This forum, despite it's weaknesses, is an honest effort by honest people. We have to keep it factual in every way, defend it factually, and not be afraid to look into or be a mirror. As to any implication that JustLooking is responsible in any way for Sear's demise.... I hope no one inferred that, because there have been so many before us in the past few years who have steered the Plymouth into the ditch, none of us could do any worse. Hopefully the moderators will approve of my use of bold |
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Matrix... I'm sorry but again I have to disagree with you. You say Management is a whole different team from yours?
That goes to the core of part of our problem. We aren't working together to get the job done. All of us have our oars in the water, but some are rowing one direction while others row another. I'm not suggesting that the rank in file is to blame entirely for this. Management at all levels need to work closely with their teams in order for Sears to win. In the same vain, Associates need to understand the need for change, embrace it, and work with Management to execute the plan, not fight it. Until we all work as one, this struggle will continue. Maybe that's why the Sears forum has well over 1000 posts.....more than all other categories combined. I understand your need to promote the "we're different teams" philosophy because you need to in order to get your pro-union ideas out there. But we will NEVER win if we're split in our cause as a Company. "Footie" |
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