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DonQuixote Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 56 Location: southeast	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:14 pm    Post subject: Please take a minute - this is important.   I hope you will take the time to check out this article. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20040219.shtml Max Cleland is a local, former US Senator who climbed to the top by allowing other liberals to claim he was a war hero. He is not. He does though, have the backing of heavy weights in the media who will do anything to protect the claim, as well as those of John Kerry. Who, by the way, put himself in for two of his purple hearts and then demanded to be sent home after the third minior wound after only 3 months and two weeks in the Nam. What does this have to do with SEARS, you ask ? Sears, and other businesses in this country, are what they are today because of 35 years of liberal control of our society. Don't take my word for it, educate yourself, for God's sake. What happens in November can either continue to help correct those 35 year old ills, or it can carry us further into Socialism. Those who lie, I mean really lie, are not helping you. They want to control you.
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SearsService Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 1081	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:19 pm    Post subject:   Just love those conservatives who love to bash Vet's who have "been there, done that". Did not see any mention of Mr. Cleland's getting a Silver and Bronze Star. Can't wait till you make a post from another draft dodger of my era, Mr. Rash Limpballs. He got out for having a pimple where the Sun don't shine.
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Searsucker Joined: 29 Jan 2004 Posts: 43	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:30 pm    Post subject:   You have certainly picked an apt screen name Mr. Quixote. Note, please. During the Clinton years Sears was in much better shape, commissioned associates could actually make a living there. Since Mr. Bush took the reins the economy has gone down the dumper. Not saying he caused it, but he certainly hasn't managed it well. All I know is that I need to find a second job to supplement my hobby at Sears. A three hundred dollar tax rebate doesn't fix that.
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CCCs Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 765	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:02 pm    Post subject:   Quote: You have certainly picked an apt screen name Mr. Quixote. Note, please. During the Clinton years Sears was in much better shape, commissioned associates could actually make a living there. Since Mr. Bush took the reins the economy has gone down the dumper. Not saying he caused it, but he certainly hasn't managed it well. All I know is that I need to find a second job to supplement my hobby at Sears. A three hundred dollar tax rebate doesn't fix that. I'm not sure you can blame Sears changes on President Bush or the economy. Sears has more in sales now than it did during the Clinton years. It just has managed it's own business very poorly for years and we are just starting to feel the effects of that now. Of course, competitors are putting the squeeze on us as well, but we have no one to blame but our own mismanagement.
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DonQuixote Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 56 Location: southeast	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:29 pm    Post subject:   SearsService wrote: Just love those conservatives who love to bash Vet's who have "been there, done that". Did not see any mention of Mr. Cleland's getting a Silver and Bronze Star. Can't wait till you make a post from another draft dodger of my era, Mr. Rash Limpballs. He got out for having a pimple where the Sun don't shine. You make my point about liberals! The awards have no bearing on the fact that the DNC willfully lied about what happen to Max to portray him as a hero. You don't care about facts, just your immature emotions. People like you deserve what they get from this mess, it's your efforts to "beat the man" that causes it.......enjoy how they treat you and quit your bitching. Others who respect the truth, which you didn't mention, would like to preserve what the true heroes of this country fought and died for......freedom. You're too afraid of freedom, you want Ms. Hitlery to take care of you; oh, boy will she ever if she gets the chance! If you want to address the facts, I"ll be glad to listen.
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DonQuixote Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 56 Location: southeast	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:33 pm    Post subject:   Searsucker wrote: You have certainly picked an apt screen name Mr. Quixote. Note, please. During the Clinton years Sears was in much better shape, commissioned associates could actually make a living there. Since Mr. Bush took the reins the economy has gone down the dumper. Not saying he caused it, but he certainly hasn't managed it well. All I know is that I need to find a second job to supplement my hobby at Sears. A three hundred dollar tax rebate doesn't fix that. Yep, I guess I did. The original Don Quixote tilted at windmills and trying to make sense to a liberal is just as frustrating. You , too, deserve what you get.
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lowmorale Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 1522 Location: chicagoland by the big guys	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:39 pm    Post subject:   Mr Don Q for your information Mr G Bush is at the hands of all coruption companies that have taken life savings of people just like us hard working middle income, I think I seen one of his friends handcuffed today. Let him open the borders up and see that their will not be one construction job truck driving retail know what your talking about I would take Clinton and his cigar in the oval office any day to this maniac. Not to say the five hundrend and fifty innocent lifes that of people most precious gift their children that are now dead because of his promise to the corportate evil
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DonQuixote Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 56 Location: southeast	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:04 pm    Post subject:   lowmorale wrote: Mr Don Q for your information Mr G Bush is at the hands of all coruption companies that have taken life savings of people just like us hard working middle income, I think I seen one of his friends handcuffed today. Let him open the borders up and see that their will not be one construction job truck driving retail know what your talking about I would take Clinton and his cigar in the oval office any day to this maniac. Not to say the five hundrend and fifty innocent lifes that of people most precious gift their children that are now dead because of his promise to the corportate evil Believe what you have to, you poor thing. Like I said, truth is a tough competitor and you don't have any idea what the truth is. By the way, your reference to the 500 dead heroes fighting to save your sorry ass from the taliban, I didn't see you mention the over 3000 dead on 9/11 because cigar boy did nothing. Your people would allow those who wish to kill us to come here and do just that...wouldn't matter to them that were a good liberal either. They'd get you, too. If you had the ability to think, you'd realize that. Corporate evil, they just respond to the rules given them by the evil demoncrats and people like you think they are being taken care of ! God, we are doomed and we deserve it !!!
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SearsService Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 1081	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:07 pm    Post subject:   DonQuixote wrote: SearsService wrote: Just love those conservatives who love to bash Vet's who have "been there, done that". Did not see any mention of Mr. Cleland's getting a Silver and Bronze Star. Can't wait till you make a post from another draft dodger of my era, Mr. Rash Limpballs. He got out for having a pimple where the Sun don't shine. Others who respect the truth, which you didn't mention, would like to preserve what the true heroes of this country fought and died for......freedom. You're too afraid of freedom, you want Ms. Hitlery to take care of you; oh, boy will she ever if she gets the chance! BuzzFlash Reader Commentary February 17, 2004 CONTRIBUTOR ARCHIVES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of Max Cleland's Vietnam Injuries A BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY by Christopher Crallé I wrote last night in response to the column by Ann Coulter. My father, who has close personal ties with Max, has responded to me and I forward his reply. What follows is the true account of Max Cleland's injury in Vietnam. --------- Thank you Chris. I did not have the links to this, but Max called me about it in case I needed to tell the real truth should someone want to know. This Ann Coulter has written real slime. Only in America. Our service men and women fight and die to defend your right to a free press. The press needs to be aware of their responsibility to use this democratic tool in a responsibility way. ------------------------------ The 2nd of the 12th Cavalry was engaged in a combat operation at the time of this incident. Max Cleland was with the Battalion Forward Command Post in heavy combat involving the attack of the 1st Cavalry Division up the valley to relieve the Marines who were besieged and surrounded at the Khe Shan Firebase. The whole surrounding area was an active combat zone (some might call the entire country of Vietnam a combat zone). (Is Iraq a combat zone?) Max, the Battalion Signal Officer, was engaged in a combat mission I personally ordered to increase the effectiveness of communications between the battalion combat forward and rear support elements: e.g. Erect a radio relay antenna on a mountain top. By the way, at one point the battalion rear elements came under enemy artillery fire so everyone was in harms way. As they were getting off the helicopter, Max saw the grenade on the ground and he instinctively went for it. Soldiers in combat don't leave grenades lying around on the ground. Later, in the hospital, he said he thought it was his own but I doubt the concept of "ownership" went through his mind in the split seconds involved in reaching for the grenade. Nearly two decades later another soldier came forward and admitted it was actually his grenade. Does ownership of the grenade really matter? It does not. Maury Cralle' Battalion Executive Officer 2d/12th Cavalry Battalion 1st Air Cavalry Division During the assault on Khe Shan If you want to address the facts, I"ll be glad to listen.
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DonQuixote Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 56 Location: southeast	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:16 pm    Post subject:   SearsService wrote: DonQuixote wrote: SearsService wrote: Just love those conservatives who love to bash Vet's who have "been there, done that". Did not see any mention of Mr. Cleland's getting a Silver and Bronze Star. Can't wait till you make a post from another draft dodger of my era, Mr. Rash Limpballs. He got out for having a pimple where the Sun don't shine. Others who respect the truth, which you didn't mention, would like to preserve what the true heroes of this country fought and died for......freedom. You're too afraid of freedom, you want Ms. Hitlery to take care of you; oh, boy will she ever if she gets the chance! BuzzFlash Reader Commentary February 17, 2004 CONTRIBUTOR ARCHIVES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of Max Cleland's Vietnam Injuries A BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY by Christopher Crallé I wrote last night in response to the column by Ann Coulter. My father, who has close personal ties with Max, has responded to me and I forward his reply. What follows is the true account of Max Cleland's injury in Vietnam. --------- Thank you Chris. I did not have the links to this, but Max called me about it in case I needed to tell the real truth should someone want to know. This Ann Coulter has written real slime. Only in America. Our service men and women fight and die to defend your right to a free press. The press needs to be aware of their responsibility to use this democratic tool in a responsibility way. ------------------------------ The 2nd of the 12th Cavalry was engaged in a combat operation at the time of this incident. Max Cleland was with the Battalion Forward Command Post in heavy combat involving the attack of the 1st Cavalry Division up the valley to relieve the Marines who were besieged and surrounded at the Khe Shan Firebase. The whole surrounding area was an active combat zone (some might call the entire country of Vietnam a combat zone). (Is Iraq a combat zone?) Max, the Battalion Signal Officer, was engaged in a combat mission I personally ordered to increase the effectiveness of communications between the battalion combat forward and rear support elements: e.g. Erect a radio relay antenna on a mountain top. By the way, at one point the battalion rear elements came under enemy artillery fire so everyone was in harms way. As they were getting off the helicopter, Max saw the grenade on the ground and he instinctively went for it. Soldiers in combat don't leave grenades lying around on the ground. Later, in the hospital, he said he thought it was his own but I doubt the concept of "ownership" went through his mind in the split seconds involved in reaching for the grenade. Nearly two decades later another soldier came forward and admitted it was actually his grenade. Does ownership of the grenade really matter? It does not. Maury Cralle' Battalion Executive Officer 2d/12th Cavalry Battalion 1st Air Cavalry Division During the assault on Khe Shan If you want to address the facts, I"ll be glad to listen. Nice try. This a third rewrite of history. Answer one question, please.... if you picked up a live grenade and it went off, would you only lose one arm and two legs? I think not. Now, if you were fooling around with a live grenade in the seat of a duce and a half and drop it under the seat, a steel seat, what injuries would you incure? The seat saved his sorry ass and his life. Lastly, Cleland was not involved in the assult on Khe Shan. Not even close. No one will ever convince you people. Truth ain't in ya.
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Bodyguard Joined: 04 Jul 2003 Posts: 1337 Location: The Collective	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:37 pm    Post subject:   This is the most entertaining thread I have seen in a long time! Keep tilting Don! Dont let the liars get away with their BS!
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DonQuixote Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 56 Location: southeast	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:37 pm    Post subject:   Also, ( please see response above ) at the time of Khe Shan offensive I was at Fort Clayton, Panama Canel Zone in the HQ and HQ Company Command Comcenter. We transfered data traffic from the area to the Pentagon.. so by your letter writer's standard, guess I was involved in the action too. You take your heroes, I stick with mine.
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SearsService Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 1081	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:38 pm    Post subject:   I now must apologize, did not know you were there and have first hand knowledge. I could only take the word of the XO. Who was there. PS Was Ann Coulter there to also witness it
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drone Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 268 Location: midwest	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:14 pm    Post subject:   Searsucker wrote: my hobby at Sears. that was a good one!
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DonQuixote Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 56 Location: southeast	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:27 pm    Post subject:   SearsService wrote: I now must apologize, did not know you were there and have first hand knowledge. I could only take the word of the XO. Who was there. PS Was Ann Coulter there to also witness it Yeah, we think we saw you there, too. Your XO lacks creditbility, he simply parrots a rewrite. First cover story they floated had him getting off a plane. Now it's a flingwing. Oh, apology accepted.
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OLDTIMESEARS Joined: 18 Oct 2003 Posts: 473 Location: without Sears, much happier	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:44 pm    Post subject:   lowmorale wrote: Mr Don Q for your information Mr G Bush is at the hands of all coruption companies that have taken life savings of people just like us hard working middle income, I think I seen one of his friends handcuffed today. Let him open the borders up and see that their will not be one construction job truck driving retail know what your talking about I would take Clinton and his cigar in the oval office any day to this maniac. Not to say the five hundrend and fifty innocent lifes that of people most precious gift their children that are now dead because of his promise to the corportate evil What about the hundreds of innocent soldiers that were killed in the embassy bombings and the attack on the Cole that slick Willy did nothing to retaliate for. The problems we have now can be directly traced to Clinton's do nothing policies. All the corporate greed that you speak of happened not only in the past three years, but has become increasingly worse over the last probably twenty years. Also the economy was in a steep decline long before the elections in 2000. Check all the economic pundents and they will tell you that the economy started to tank in March of 2000, 10 months before Bush took over. His policies are slowly helping this economy to turn around and will in the long run prove to be the right decision. As for the Sears employee not able to make a living and having to get a second job to make ends meet. That cannot be blamed on any Government policy, it is solely and squarely the result of the policies of Alan Lacy.
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DonQuixote Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 56 Location: southeast	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:51 pm    Post subject:   OLDTIMESEARS wrote : What about the hundreds of innocent soldiers that were killed in the embassy bombings and the attack on the Cole that slick Willy did nothing to retaliate for. The problems we have now can be directly traced to Clinton's do nothing policies. All the corporate greed that you speak of happened not only in the past three years, but has become increasingly worse over the last probably twenty years. Also the economy was in a steep decline long before the elections in 2000. Check all the economic pundents and they will tell you that the economy started to tank in March of 2000, 10 months before Bush took over. His policies are slowly helping this economy to turn around and will in the long run prove to be the right decision. As for the Sears employee not able to make a living and having to get a second job to make ends meet. That cannot be blamed on any Government policy, it is solely and squarely the result of the policies of Alan Lacy.[/quote] Thank you, there is an adult out there. DonQuixote
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Bodyguard Joined: 04 Jul 2003 Posts: 1337 Location: The Collective	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:21 pm    Post subject:   OLDTIMESEARS wrote: lowmorale wrote: Mr Don Q for your information Mr G Bush is at the hands of all coruption companies that have taken life savings of people just like us hard working middle income, I think I seen one of his friends handcuffed today. Let him open the borders up and see that their will not be one construction job truck driving retail know what your talking about I would take Clinton and his cigar in the oval office any day to this maniac. Not to say the five hundrend and fifty innocent lifes that of people most precious gift their children that are now dead because of his promise to the corportate evil What about the hundreds of innocent soldiers that were killed in the embassy bombings and the attack on the Cole that slick Willy did nothing to retaliate for. The problems we have now can be directly traced to Clinton's do nothing policies. All the corporate greed that you speak of happened not only in the past three years, but has become increasingly worse over the last probably twenty years. Also the economy was in a steep decline long before the elections in 2000. Check all the economic pundents and they will tell you that the economy started to tank in March of 2000, 10 months before Bush took over. His policies are slowly helping this economy to turn around and will in the long run prove to be the right decision. As for the Sears employee not able to make a living and having to get a second job to make ends meet. That cannot be blamed on any Government policy, it is solely and squarely the result of the policies of Alan Lacy. Great points! All of what you said was correct and true.
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DonQuixote Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 56 Location: southeast	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:26 pm    Post subject:   Bodyguard wrote: OLDTIMESEARS wrote: What about the hundreds of innocent soldiers that were killed in the embassy bombings and the attack on the Cole that slick Willy did nothing to retaliate for. The problems we have now can be directly traced to Clinton's do nothing policies. All the corporate greed that you speak of happened not only in the past three years, but has become increasingly worse over the last probably twenty years. Also the economy was in a steep decline long before the elections in 2000. Check all the economic pundents and they will tell you that the economy started to tank in March of 2000, 10 months before Bush took over. His policies are slowly helping this economy to turn around and will in the long run prove to be the right decision. As for the Sears employee not able to make a living and having to get a second job to make ends meet. That cannot be blamed on any Government policy, it is solely and squarely the result of the policies of Alan Lacy. Great points! All of what you said was correct and true. Two Adults !! One more and we can tee off !
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SearsService Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 1081	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:41 pm    Post subject:   [quote="OLDTIMESEARS"][ What about the hundreds of innocent soldiers that were killed in the embassy bombings quote] Oh shit, the Republicans have rewritten history. The Beirut Marine Barracks bombings were under the Regan administration. Sin-loy
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SearsService Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 1081	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:42 pm    Post subject:   Don't you just love a good pissing contest.
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grendel Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 13	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:35 pm    Post subject:   Point one: the recession we are coming out of started under Clinton. He would not have had a balanced budget if he had not raided Social Security and shifted the money to the general fund. Point two: Remember NAFTA and that great sucking sound to the south well my friends, that was another Clinton mess. How can Americans buy products if the jobs are going south? Point three: what about Bosnia, Haiti, Somalia three civil wars, two of which we are still there. Where was the threat to the U.S? At least we know that Iraq help trains terrorist and still has some in the country Point Four: Clinton said they know about the plot by Osama and had 3 chances to get him but did nothing. Oh beside gutting the military and tying the hands of the CIA so they couldn’t get the info from persons that were in the camps with the terrorist. Point Five: The unemployment rate is as low now as it ever was in the 90’s
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Bodyguard Joined: 04 Jul 2003 Posts: 1337 Location: The Collective	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:46 pm    Post subject:   [quote="SearsService"] OLDTIMESEARS wrote: [ What about the hundreds of innocent soldiers that were killed in the embassy bombings quote] Oh shit, the Republicans have rewritten history. The Beirut Marine Barracks bombings were under the Regan administration. Sin-loy WRONG....there were embassy bombings in Africa in the 90's DUH
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DonQuixote Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 56 Location: southeast	Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:53 pm    Post subject:   grendel wrote: Point one: the recession we are coming out of started under Clinton. He would not have had a balanced budget if he had not raided Social Security and shifted the money to the general fund. Point two: Remember NAFTA and that great sucking sound to the south well my friends, that was another Clinton mess. How can Americans buy products if the jobs are going south? Point three: what about Bosnia, Haiti, Somalia three civil wars, two of which we are still there. Where was the threat to the U.S? At least we know that Iraq help trains terrorist and still has some in the country Point Four: Clinton said they know about the plot by Osama and had 3 chances to get him but did nothing. Oh beside gutting the military and tying the hands of the CIA so they couldn’t get the info from persons that were in the camps with the terrorist. Point Five: The unemployment rate is as low now as it ever was in the 90’s We now have a foursome. We tee off at 9:30am. gerndel has the honors. Good night guys, got more windmills to fight !
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grendel Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 13	Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:10 am    Post subject:   "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 There you go right from the Donkeys mouths. And if you notice all except the last two quotes are from when Clinton was in office
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