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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:20 am Post subject: Heads up! Retired Officials Say Bush Must Go | |||||
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It appears that even the old-school pubbies think that Bush is bad for America:
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The LA Times reports that the statement will be released on Wednesday. If anyone finds a link before I do, please post it here.
Here's the list of signatories and their respective qualifications: *** Avis T. Bohlen — assistant secretary of State for arms control, 1999-2002; deputy assistant secretary of State for European affairs 1989-1991. Retired Adm. William J. Crowe Jr. — chairman, President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Committee, 1993-94; ambassador to Britain, 1993-97; chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 1985-89. Jeffrey S. Davidow — ambassador to Mexico, 1998-2002; assistant secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs, 1996 William A. DePree — ambassador to Bangladesh, 1987-1990. Donald B. Easum — ambassador to Nigeria, 1975-79. Charles W. Freeman Jr. — assistant secretary of Defense, International Security Affairs, 1993-94; ambassador to Saudi Arabia, 1989-1992. William C. Harrop — ambassador to Israel, 1991-93; ambassador to Zaire, 1987-1991. Arthur A. Hartman — ambassador to the Soviet Union, 1981-87; ambassador to France, 1977-1981. Retired Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar — commander in chief of U.S. Central Command, overseeing forces in the Middle East, 1991-94; deputy chief of staff, Marine Corps, 1990-94. H. Allen Holmes — assistant secretary of Defense for special operations, 1993-99; assistant secretary of State for politico-military affairs, 1986-89. Robert V. Keeley — ambassador to Greece, 1985-89; ambassador to Zimbabwe, 1980-84. Samuel W. Lewis — director of State Department policy and planning, 1993-94; ambassador to Israel, 1977-1985. Princeton N. Lyman — assistant secretary of State for International Organization Affairs, 1995-98; ambassador to South Africa, 1992-95. Jack F. Matlock Jr. — ambassador to the Soviet Union, 1987-1991; director for European and Soviet Affairs, National Security Council, 1983-86; ambassador to Czechoslovakia, 1981-83. Donald F. McHenry — ambassador to the United Nations, 1979-1981. Retired Air Force Gen. Merrill A. McPeak — chief of staff, U.S. Air Force, 1990-94. George E. Moose — assistant secretary of State for African affairs, 1993-97; ambassador to Senegal, 1988-91. David D. Newsom — acting secretary of State, 1980; undersecretary of State for political affairs, 1978-1981; ambassador to Indonesia, 1973-77 Phyllis E. Oakley — assistant secretary of State for intelligence and research, 1997-99. James Daniel Phillips — ambassador to the Republic of Congo, 1990-93; ambassador to Burundi, 1986-1990. John E. Reinhardt — professor of political science, University of Vermont, 1987-91; ambassador to Nigeria, 1971-75. Retired Air Force Gen. William Y. Smith — deputy commander in chief, U.S. European Command, 1981-83. Ronald I. Spiers — undersecretary-general of the United Nations for Political Affairs, 1989-1992; ambassador to Pakistan, 1981-83. Michael Sterner — deputy assistant secretary of State for Near East affairs, 1977-1981; ambassador to the United Arab Emirates, 1974-76. Retired Adm. Stansfield Turner — director of the Central Intelligence Agency, 1977-1981. Alexander F. Watson — assistant secretary of State for Inter-American affairs, 1993-96; deputy permanent representative to the U.N., 1989-1993. Source: Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change *** Pretty exhaustive list, no? Anyways, this is just a heads-up for now. I imagine that, when the statement gets released, there will be some interesting things to bat around a bit. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:27 am Post subject: | |
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Hmmm less than 30 of the thousands who were or are in such positions......and did you notice that several of the people were in office during the time of Clinton? The posts you listed are appointed by the President. 13 of the 27 or so listed were appointed by a Democratic president (Carter or Clinton). The beauty of America is that one has the right to say what one thinks.......no matter how wrong they are. I am sure that hundereds of people in similar postitions would say just the opposite. So the list really does not mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. Every country has a group of people (and ex officials) that dis agree with the government in power.
EDIT I am not surprised that the LA Times is the one breaking the story.........thier editorials are always anti Bush. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:29 am Post subject: | |||
I was going to post it this morning, but the only link I had at the time was "non-mainstream media". 
*cough* I think these ones should qualify better: CNN story: Ex-Diplomats, Military Leaders Oppose Bush MSNBC story: Ex-diplomats call for Bush's defeat |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:45 am Post subject: | |
| It is still a tempest in a teapot.......refer to what I posted above, please. They worked hard and brought forth a mouse. | |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:57 am Post subject: | |
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The CNN/MSNBC links had only an outline of the story.
Here is the whole enchilada on Yahoo News. (mind you, they just link it back to that everpopular LA.Times) |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:05 am Post subject: | |
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......and some were in their appointed positions during the Carter administration. I'm sure we would have no trouble at all finding 30+ people against the election of John Kerry.
When it comes to national defense, be careful what you wish for. I'm reminded of the phrase "out of the frypan and into the fire" when it comes to Kerry. In my opinion, our military would be dismantled similar (or worse) to the way it was during the Carter administration and it took BILLIONS and huge defecits to fix the problem (thank you Ronald Reagan). Footie |
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False assumption. Russian Defense Minister, Sergei Ivanov, has just been given absolute operational control of the Russian army. If you do a bit of homework on this, Footsoldier, you will understand the significance of this. You will also then realize that, in light of this development and in conjunction with other world issues, no matter who takes US office this November, the US military budget is pretty much guaranteed to stay exactly where it is. In case you don't feel like doing the homework, the summary is: the old KGB guard is reassembling in Russia. What effect the US invasion of Iraq and other US military muscle flexing exercises had on that, I will leave for another discussion. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:20 am Post subject: | |
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Russia does not have the econonomic where-with-all to compete militarily. I'd like nothing more than to give all the credit for the end of the cold war to Ronald Reagan but the fact is, one of the main reasons is because Russia simply did not have the money to compete with the United States in an arms buildup.
As soon as USSR saw we were serious about SDI (Star Wars), they gave up the military buildup. I'm less sure of what Kerry would propose in the way of military spending cuts than you are Kanaka. He has said he will repeal the Bush tax cuts and I'm sure, with his anti-war & anti-military spending record, the military is one of the first places he will cut. Footie |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:12 am Post subject: | |
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Here we go:
The webcast is long, I'm only about 23 minutes into it and it's not even half over... questions from the press. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:54 am Post subject: | |
| Hmm... I suppose now we'll just have to wait for the response from the whitehouse. | |
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Since this thread is about the judgement of GWB then I submit this quote and link. Looks like he just might have been correct after all.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040618/D839MJ0G0.html One more....
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:59 am Post subject: | |
| No comments anybody? This is a huge development, especially in the light of the opinions on here and elswhere that Saddam had nothing to do with OBL and his cronies. | |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:04 am Post subject: | |
| The way it is now, america has no leader, only a moron running the country. | |
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| A moron? Can you back up that statement with any facts? Did you graduate from Yale? (laugh at a C average but how many of you that laugh graduated from Yale?) How many morons flew F-102 Delta Daggers???? | |
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| If I had time I would list all the moronic things about Bush, but I am too busy out looking for a job in this great, improving economy of ours. They way I figure it, to surrive, I will need 2 jobs to make what I was getting when I got layed off. | |