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NAz
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:41 pm Post subject: John Kerry is a....
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http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/
As the name implies, this site has little to do with the good reasons to vote for Kerry, and much to do with why not to re-elect Bush.
It is a well-written(IMHO), ongoing series of essays that outline one fairly liberal thinker's reasons for voting for John Kerry. Personally, I appreciate the satire of the site, and find it well researched, BUT, obviously extremely(for the U.S.) left leaning.
-NAz
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centralnj1
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:12 am Post subject:
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I agree with Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly, that the terrorists are at war with us, and we must kill them before they kill us all. Bush will continue to take the war to the terrorists and perhaps we will win this war. Vote for BUSH!
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FOOTSOLDIER
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:04 pm Post subject:
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NAZ... in your own words, how do you think John Kerry would handle Al Qaida and other terrorists? Would he be passive? Would he be aggressive? Would he pull the US Troops out of Iraq?
Since you obviously believe he is the right person for the job of President of the United States, I'm curious to hear how you see him handling the "war on terror".
Footie
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NAz
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:26 am Post subject:
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| Since you obviously believe he is the right person for the job of President of the United States |
Hold on there partner...I never said/implied that I thought John Kerry was the right person. How I see Kerry dealing with the issues of the U.S., is of no consequence in this thread. This was simply a post to add more to the political pot. I encourage debate, and appreciate thoughtful arguments. This is what I see in this article.
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| As the name implies, this site has little to do with the good reasons to vote for Kerry, and much to do with why not to re-elect Bush. |
I believe this quote from my original post sums up the thought behind this thread.
If you really want to know my political views, PM me and we can have a thoughtful debate, but this thread is not the place for it.
-NAz
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FOOTSOLDIER
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:50 pm Post subject:
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I went back and re-read your post and I obviously was in error in my assumption of your support for him. My apologies.
However, this thread is an appropriate place to debate such things since the title of it is about one of the candidiates and whether or not people should vote for him.
In that spirit.... post away, Naz
"Footie"
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lowmorale
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:05 pm Post subject:
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John Kerry all the way. I do hope he chooses John Edward for the running mate. The sooner Bush is out of office,bring the troops home. The country will be safer and life will get better
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CCCs
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:34 pm Post subject:
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Low,
How do you expect the country to be safer and life to get better. The Islamic fundamentalist movement declared war on the United States and the West in 1996. They have attacked us numerous times before and after that date and have plans to continue these attacks until they kill all of us or we join them.
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| In his “Declaration of the World Islamic Front for Jihad,” issued in February 1998, Bin Laden says that “to kill Americans and their allies, both civil and military, is an individual duty of every Muslim… every Muslim who believes in God and hopes for reward [must] obey God's command to kill the Americans and plunder their possessions wherever he finds them and whenever he can.” |
Iraq and the War on Terror
As far as the soldiers coming home right after Kerry is elected, he has said that he will leave them there until the job is finished. We have been drawn into a long and difficult battle. It could happen on our soil or their soil. Where would you prefer it happen?
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NAz
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:08 pm Post subject:
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Footsoldier, I think your question is two pronged. You are asking for how I think JOHN KERRY will deal with these issues. I can easily go to johnkerry.com and read up on his platform. I assume you want to hear what I think should be done with the issues you mention...
Iraq--Whether we believe that the war in Iraq was justified or not, the fact of the matter is, the U.S. is there. In my own opinion, the Americans are bound by a moral obligation to see through the transition of power and infrastructure to an economically strong, and majority reprasentative government. I think whoever wins the election in November(god I hope it doesn't go on for another month like last time), will have to understand that the U.S. was responsible for a fair chunk of the plight currently in Iraq. And that even what Saddam Hussein did to his people before the war must be rectified by Iraq's "liberators", in order to display to the Iraqi people that the war was not all for naught.
Terrorism--This issue, unfortunately, is not just going to be an issue for the next President, but the president after that, and the next one, and the next one....Terrorists are not going to go away. There will always be a group of people who want destruction and terror inflicted upon others. The only way to deal with the threat is to soften the gruff attitude of the American administration. They need to be seen internationally as a country of compassion, and moral obligation. Being the only super power in the world brings some pretty heavy obligations with it, such as foreign aid in the form of peacekeepers, financial assistance, and infrastructure. If the U.S. can be seen as a nation that will go out of it's way to make other nations more prosperous, and make the citizens of said countries feel like the U.S. can empathize with their struggles, then I don't think there will be as many people who are hell-bent on seeing the destruction of the wealthy West. Of course that doesn't discount the fact that there are some crazy people out there that would kill the Easter Bunny if they could, and those people are going to attempt to terrorize no matter what, the only thing one can do is to try to minimize the effects of such actions.
I don't think the issues here are as clear as black and white. Whether the President should be aggresive, or passive is not really the issue. The issue has to be the way he/she can portray the way the average American feels about the rest of the world. If he/she can protray them as being the compassionate, open-minded, generous people that they have the resources to be then the rest of the world will be more willing to accept the "American way", and not call for Jihad against all us "infidels".
-NAz
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centralnj1
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:50 am Post subject:
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These terrorists believe that all infidels must be killed because it is the will of god, and that is why they yell "god is great" when they murder, because they think they are serving god and will be rewarded in heaven. These animals must be aggressively hunted down, one by one, until they are all dead. There is no other way to win against this enemy. Bush is the right man at the right time to preserve our way of life and flip flop Kerry is just flip flop Kerry.
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NAz
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:44 am Post subject:
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| These terrorists believe that all infidels must be killed because it is the will of god |
And why do you suppose that they belive god is telling them this? Is it for the sake of arbitrarily killing innocent people? I think that you need to examine the reasons behind this "call to arms", "Jihad", "will of god". whatever you wish to call it. I am not in any way endorsing the way these individuals act, I am merely pointing out the fact that there are underlying reasons for the resentment currently seen spewing towards the West.
Maybe if more people in this world could have the chance to experience the American way of life, and share in the prosperity that we as North Americans have, then there would not be so much resentment towards the U.S. and it's allies.
I repeat...I am totally, unequivocally against the violence currently happening against westerns in the Middle East. Cutting off heads is barbaric, and the people who do such things are seriously sick.
-NAz
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USA#1
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:09 am Post subject:
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One theory is that these people are jealous of the freedoms that we have and that they don't. I honestly don't believe that myself. Another is that since we do have freedom, that we believe that we are "better" than anybody else.
Just a thought...
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CCCs
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:28 am Post subject:
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Islamic Fundamentalism is not a new movement.
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| The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt by Hassan Al-Banna in 1928. Al-Banna and the Brotherhood considered Islam to have an essential political and social character that needed to be reasserted in the face of the societal ills that had come to the Islamic world with secularism. Al-Banna's vision was in perfect accord with that of classical Muslim scholars such as Ibn Khaldun, who taught in the fourteenth century that "in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." According to historian Brynjar Lia, "Quoting the Qur'anic verse 'And fight them till sedition is no more, and the faith is God's' [Sura 2:193], the Muslim Brothers urged their fellow Muslims to restore the bygone greatness of Islam and to re-establish an Islamic empire. Sometimes they even called for the restoration of 'former Islamic colonies' in Andalus (Spain), southern Italy, Sicily, the Balkans and the Mediterranean islands." |
These terrorists have hijacked a religion and are using it for their own political advantage. The scary thing is that the Wahabi schools seen in many Muslim countries are churning out kids who have been indoctrinated in an extreme view of the religion.
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lowmorale
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:54 pm Post subject:
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CCC
Just to freak you out more guess what I am going to buy Bill Clintons book today and cherish the book like a Bible>(LOL).
Democrat all the way bring on John Edwards for VP. Hilary in 2008
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lowmorale
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:56 pm Post subject:
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Watch Oprah today@@ the cutie will be on their. I tried reallllllly realllllllllllllllllllly hard to get on the show
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