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Bodyguard
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:45 am Post subject:
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Just a bit more on Kerry.....http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37453
From the article.....another piece of evidence of the infiltration of the anti war movement.......
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Kerry opted for reassignment to New York City, where – as a uniformed, active-duty officer – he reportedly began acting out the antiwar feelings he had expressed before enlisting. Press reports from the time say that he marched in the October 1969 Moratorium protests – a mass demonstration by a quarter-million people that had been orchestrated the previous summer by North Vietnamese officials and American antiwar leaders in Cuba.
Kerry had found his purpose in life. The New York Times reported April 23, 1971, that at about the time of the Moratorium march, Lt. Kerry had "asked for, and was given, an early release from the Navy so he could run for Congress on an antiwar platform from his home district in Waltham, Mass."
For Kerry, politicizing the nation's war effort for partisan purposes was the right thing to do, in contrast to the violent revolutionary designs of colleagues who were out to destroy the system. Kerry didn't want to take down the establishment. He wanted to take it over.
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sleK
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:51 am Post subject:
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:roll:
Thanks for demonstrating that you can use a search engine BG.
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Bodyguard
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:08 am Post subject:
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For your info sleK, it was not found on a search engine. I read many different sites a day. Kind of a troll dont you think? Do you care to discuss the article or just attack me?
Edit. Are you going to chase me around the boards now trolling my posts?
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sleK
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:13 am Post subject:
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Discussion forum BG. I could quite easily post a billion links that portray a different POV but that wouldn't be conducive to discussion now would it?
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Bodyguard
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:17 am Post subject:
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I posted the article as a point of discussion. If you care to read it then maybye we will have something to discuss. I also posted it as more evidence from a previous assertion of mine. So in fact it is quite conductive to discussion if in fact it is read. If you dont want to read it, fine. Maybye somebody else will.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:05 pm Post subject:
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Judging from the poll results thus far, Bush had better watch out for that "Other" charactor, whoever it is. He or she has 31% of the vote on Retail-worker.
That says alot about the Demos in 2004 when "other" can get more votes than the actual candidate himself.
Footie
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:29 pm Post subject:
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I think it's safe to say that the Dean and Edwards groups will be assimilated by the Kerry camp. The Lieberman and Sharpton masses will be soon to follow too. Better get that calculator out again, Footsoldier.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 12:35 am Post subject:
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Here is another great reason to vote for Kerry
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| "Twenty-nine years after the end of the Vietnam war, communist military mastermind General Vo Nguyen Giap remains grateful to the Americans who opposed it," Reuters reports from Hanoi. " 'I would like to thank them,' the 93-year-old veteran said on Friday of those Americans who opposed the war." He stopped short of a formal presidential endorsement, however |
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5001328
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USA#1
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 6:47 am Post subject:
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Here is another great reason to vote for Kerry
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| "Twenty-nine years after the end of the Vietnam war, communist military mastermind General Vo Nguyen Giap remains grateful to the Americans who opposed it," Reuters reports from Hanoi. " 'I would like to thank them,' the 93-year-old veteran said on Friday of those Americans who opposed the war." He stopped short of a formal presidential endorsement, however |
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5001328 |
Are you saying that Kerry is a Commie?!?
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 11:31 pm Post subject:
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I am saying that back then, the same as now, anti war protesters are loved by the enemy. A nation at war must stand as one.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 2:05 am Post subject:
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Here is a great article by someone who served with Kerry....
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During my 1971 televised debate with John Kerry, I accused him of lying. I urged him to come forth with affidavits from the soldiers who had claimed to have committed or witnessed atrocities. To date no such affidavits have been filed. Recently, Sen. Kerry has attempted to reframe his comments as youthful or "over the top." Yet always there has been a calculated coolness to the way he has sought to destroy the record of our honorable service in the interest of promoting his political ambitions of the moment.
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John Kerry's recent admissions caused me to realize that I was most likely in Vietnam dodging enemy rockets on the very day he met in Paris with Madame Binh, the representative of the Viet Cong to the Paris Peace Conference. John Kerry returned to the U.S. to become a national spokesperson for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, a radical fringe of the antiwar movement, an organization set upon propagating the myth of war crimes through demonstrably false assertions. Who was the last American POW to die languishing in a North Vietnamese prison forced to listen to the recorded voice of John Kerry disgracing their service by his dishonest testimony before the Senate?
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http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005036
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 4:06 am Post subject:
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It's curiously amusing that you continue to slam Kerry for speaking out against war crimes 30 years ago when it's abundantly clear that some Americans aren't above such behaviour even now.
If, in 30 years, one of the Americans responsible for outing the abuse of Iraqi prisoners were to run for office and when, as could be expected, their military record is put to public scrutiny, will you dismiss their candidacy because of some fallacious OMG!! Saddam sympathizer!! rubbish?
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 5:07 am Post subject:
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What Kerry accused the US military of and what happened in Iraq is so completely different that is staggers the imagination that you deem to compare. I eagerly await how you compare the rough handling and humiliation (completely un acceptable and disgusting BTW I will not defend the actions of 20 fools by any means) and the accusations that thousands of US soldiers commited attrocities and other horrible crimes. If you are fully informed about this issue you would see that the ARMY itself first discovered the abuses and reported them. The fact is that Kerry is a politcal oppertunist and will say anything at anytime to gain publicity. There has been no evidence of what Kerry said happened in the scale he proclaimed. Even now he is backing away from the statements.(but since he is so slimy you really never know if it was or is a lie).
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 6:58 am Post subject:
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And speaking of the enemy, some choose to believe that the hostilities in Iraq are wholly unrelated to the War on Terror. But the identity and character of the enemy we are fighting there conclusively proves otherwise. To see that the action in Iraq is part of the war on terror we need only observe the cause uniting the enemy.
The enemy – terrorists, thugs and anarchists, local and international – is doing everything it can to obstruct self-rule for the Iraqis. We are not at war with the Iraqi people or the Iraqi soldiers helping us to defend the Iraqi people. The ongoing fighting in Iraq isn't between the United States and Iraq, but the United States and Iraq against the terrorists.
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| I understand the outrage. We must never condone this kind of behavior by our soldiers, even against human beings who have no respect for human life, know no bounds of decency and would gladly brutalize our soldiers in ways that would make our soldiers' mistreatment of them look like child's play. We must hold ourselves to a higher standard |
This is an opinion piece....but he makes some excellent points.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38384
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:02 am Post subject:
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| What Kerry accused the US military of and what happened in Iraq is so completely different that is staggers the imagination that you deem to compare. |
I made no comparison. I made a point.
As I might have guessed, you ignored it completely.
Let's try again:
If, in 30 years, one of the Americans responsible for outing the abuse of Iraqi prisoners were to run for office and when, as could be expected, their military record is put to public scrutiny, will you dismiss their candidacy because of some fallacious OMG!! Saddam sympathizer!! rubbish?
For purposes of discussion I'll add the following:
Why? Or why not?
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:14 am Post subject:
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| What Kerry accused the US military of and what happened in Iraq is so completely different that is staggers the imagination that you deem to compare. |
I made no comparison. I made a point.
As I might have guessed, you ignored it completely.
Let's try again:
If, in 30 years, one of the Americans responsible for outing the abuse of Iraqi prisoners were to run for office and when, as could be expected, their military record is put to public scrutiny, will you dismiss their candidacy because of some fallacious OMG!! Saddam sympathizer!! rubbish?
For purposes of discussion I'll add the following:
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I would not dismiss them because there is DOCUMENTED PROOF of these actions.....there is no doubt of it. Kerry has yet to give the same level of proof. Does that clear things up?
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:32 am Post subject:
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Another good article on this subject.....
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13281
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Thanks to a small handful of misguided idiots the United States is being forced to confront an angry Muslim world outraged at allegations of torture of Iraqi detainees at the hands of American soldiers.
The price we are paying for this sad chapter in our military history will be calculated in American lives lost along with the good will the nation has earned over the years as a result of our being in the forefront in the struggle for human rights.
As a result of the inexcusable behavior of these men and women, we are now being forced to stand before the world accused of actions we have condemned when done by others. In the very same notorious prison where Saddam Hussein’s henchmen inflicted the most unspeakable tortures on their fellow Iraqis, members of our armed forces subjected Iraqi detainees to humiliating treatment that involved both torture and threatened rape.
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That the entire scandal is being overblown by the media, much of it clearly motivated by their anti-Bush sentiments, does not of course diminish the guilt of those who were involved. But it needs to be made clear that when the first allegations of torture and mistreatment surfaced, the Army launched a thorough investigation of the whole sordid affair and has made public the results of that probe.
The details are more than merely shocking. According to Major General Antonio M. Taguba, who headed the investigation, they included such outrages as threatening detainees with loaded automatics, beating detainees with a broom handle and threatening male detainees with rape. According to Gen. Taguba, the offenses were "intentionally perpetrated" by several members of the 372nd Military Police Company at the Abu Ghraib Prison.
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These are FACTS...not ALLEGATIONS
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