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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 6:58 am Post subject: Who should be the Democratic candidate for President | |
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OK so I got a few responses to my last political poll. I thought I would take another stab for all the Democrats and undecideds out there.
There are nine people running for the Democratic presidential nomination right now. Can you name any of them? 
Well you don't have to. Here's the list. Which one, if any, do you think should get the nod? Feel free to comment. Also feel free to vote for "other" and write-in your candidate of choice. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:02 am Post subject: | |
Can I vote too?????  
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:39 am Post subject: | |
| I voted for John Kerry. But most of the dems would be ok in my book. ~GoodFella | |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:42 am Post subject: | |
Democrat that word alone leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I am much more in favor of the Bush/cheney (where are you cheney)/ powell/rumsfield duo. They are being a "liberator" for one country at a time  . I think we need to liberate china:) i would give a whoot whoot for that one.
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The minute war broke out, they hid Cheney in a bunker and stuck Bush in front. Talk about your "shadow government"! Who's running the real show here? |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:18 pm Post subject: | |
Jerry Springer For Prez ! 
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:24 pm Post subject: | |
Cheney's too busy working the strings! 
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:55 am Post subject: | |
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i think what this country needs is a conservative democrat as president...it is really the best of both worlds, and our country seemed to do very well under the guide of past conservative democrats.
i have watched lieberman for a while now ans really like what he has to say...that's my piece P.S.-on the republican side i've always liked john mccain...he is an absolute whacko! |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:25 am Post subject: | |
| instead of having the standard republican or democrat why cant we just have a president for once that does the right thing for his or her country without going by party lines when at times some of the parties opinions conflict with their own. We need a president who will make the right decisions for the country and not be so swayed by his or her affiliated party. | |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:26 am Post subject: | |||
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This week's "Labor Talk" by Harry Kelber:
AFL-CIO Invites 9 Dems to speak at 90 minute forum in Chicago
See also www.rankandfileaflcio.org, "What questions would YOU ask the 9 Democratic Candidates" |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:58 am Post subject: | |
Al Sharpton?!? This country would definitely go to hell!!!  I don't even care for any democrap either.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:31 pm Post subject: | |
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Note that the succeeding discussion here has been moved to this thread: It all started with Al Sharpton.
I'm preserving this one for discussing the Democrap's (excuse me, Democrat's) nomination choice. |
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so how can you be pro-union and not a democrat at the same time...are you republican? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:39 pm Post subject: | |
| Right now I am nominally a Green, but what I really believe in is building a new Labor Party for the U.S. I'm also willing to back certain left wing Democrats, but I despise the DLC. I may refer to the Democrats as the Democraps sometimes, but I consider the Republicans, to paraphrase John McCain, to be the "Death Star." | |
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even though i despise most republicans, i like McCain...he is an absolute nut! |
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BUMP! ~GoodFella |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:37 am Post subject: | |
| It really does not matter......when people walk into the voting booths next November they will ask themselves..."Who will keep me safer?.".......Kerry who will turn over our security to the United Nations OR Kerry who once said we should not use our military without the ok of the UN" or to our President who asks NOBODYs permission to defend our security......Look in your heart folks....If Gore would have been the President then Saddam would have still been in power and we would have not taken out the Taliban.......Do you really want to risk your very life on a party who would turn our security over to the possible veto in the Security Councel of the UN to FRANCE?????????? Get a life! Save a life! I have not problem in saying that Kerry and the Democraps would do anything to regain power...into and including sacrificing our national security. Scum like there kind deserve to be outed like the traitors they are. The ONLY issue in this campaign is national security......look your familiy and kids in the eye before you cast your vote for someone who was a pawn of the Cong after leaving the service........for one who accuses our troops of being war criminals........there is nothing worse than a turncoat. He supposedly threw his medals over the wall after the war....gee how did they end up in a frame in his Senate office? It is because he changes his tune whenever he sees the chance to gain a vote. Kerry will be found out to be one of the biggest liers of all....his voting record is to the left of the biggest scumbag of all!!! Ted Kennedy!!!!! Does anybody really trust his judgement????? (he is reallly trustworthy unless you are a young woman riding in his car and it goes off a bridge) The Kerry vote is turning out to be the hate Bush vote......hate Bush? Fine......think he shirked his duty.......fine..........think Kerry will use the full power of the US military to protect us??? DREAM ON! I want a President who is not afraid to flip the bird to the Axis of Weasles.......sorry to go on and on but someone has to say what the truth is around here. I will defend my President to the last because he has done nothing but defend out country to the best of his ability....just like he held up his and and swore to do. Kerry would hold up his hand and then proceed to take it up the butt from France and every union that gave him a vote. If that is the person you would vote for just because you hate W then I truly pity you. | |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:00 am Post subject: | |
| PS The ONLY Dem worth trusting the safety of my family to was Joe Lieberman. But he made way to much sense to the leftist whackos of the Democrapic party. He was and is a man of honor and I respect him greatly. I believed him when he spoke.......ulike Kerry and Dean.........who only said what thier minions wanted to hear. | |
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Well, that's probably what Bush et all are counting on but I believe that Americans have realized, despite the lies and deceit perpetrated by the current administration, that their safety isn't at as much a risk as the neo-cons would have them believe.
You're fond of dictatorships BG? I thought you were all about democracy and such?
Umm.. to my knowledge the Taliban is still in operation. And Saddaam wasn't much of a threat afterall, was he?
Slippery slope. Your life is no more at risk than anyone elses on the planet. In fact, it's probably safe to say that you, as an American, have a much lesser risk of dying at the hands of some OMG!! TerARist!! than a majority of other inhabitants of this planet.
Why must you always resort to such low-brow tactics? Traitors? That's laughable. I'm no fan of Kerry but that man served in war, for your country. Can you say the same for Bush? It kind of funny that, even as the Vietnam war is generally viewed as a mistake now, Kerry's detractors slam him for protesting it. Where was Bush during Vietnam anyways? I seem to remember something about GWB failing to show up for his physicals... around the same time that the army implemented drug testing, and ended up in the ARF. Coincidence?
No. That's just the the only issue that GWB's camp want you to consider. Economics will be big in the minds of Americans. Probably healthcare. Maybe some token education stuff to. Jobs; outsourcing has become a big topic lately.
:D That's just sad BG. "Pawn of the Cong"... ROLF To quote you from the other RW (the "why no push for union" thread):
I don't suppose you could provide "full and complete proof" to back up your statement that Kerry was/is a "pawn of the Cong" could you? . . . Didn't think so.
Did you even read his testimony? Do you have "full and complete proof" that any of the acts documented in his testimony didn't happen? If those same acts were carried out by any other military force would you still exonerate the soldiers? It seems that you justify the invasion of a sovereign nation by citing similar atrocities; specifically those that Saddaam carried out against the people of Iraq. So, what's with the glaring double-standard? Are Americans above the law or something?
To my knowledge, the medals that went over the fence weren't his. Still a stupid move IMO but not a very good argument to discredit him.
Please provide "full and complete proof" that republicans don't resort to similar tactics when election time rolls around. I don't think you can 'cuz they all do. Tis the nature of your political system (as sad as that is [it isn't much different up here]).
Just what are you being protected from exactly? The WmD's don't exist, so it can't be that. Saddaam has been captured, so it can't be him. What are you so scared of now? Aliens? Perhaps the growing popularity of French cuisine?
ROFLMAO! Yeah, "truth". Supported by "full and complete proof" of course. :D *** edit: Oh! And I've heard that Nader may be popping into the race! Which is kinda weird considering how late it is in the game. Must have some ace up his sleeve? :shrug: |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:51 pm Post subject: | |
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Nobodys permission refers to OTHER countries...I thought that was obvious from the other parts of my post. Guess that slipped by you.
The Taliban is out of power....guess that slipped by you also. Also slipped by you was the fact that Saddam was an enabler of terror in the region and the world. Or did you just happen to forget that he payed rewards to the families of homicide bombers? Since Canada has virtually no military power and does not have to use what little it has outside of its own borders, it is a lot safer from terror attacts. By virtue of who we are the US is under constant threat of attack whether you claim differently or not. I am not politicaly correct..get over it. Any party who would sacrifice our national safety for political power is a party of traitors, period. Bush served in the ANG the records have proved it. Many served in the Guard and did there duty there. He was a fighter pilot flying F-102 Starfighters, and was given exceptional ratings for his performance....(this from the records he released last week). What is the ARF? If you mean the Alabama national guard, you really should learn what you are talking about. He transferred to the Alabama guard to work on a friends politcal campain. I assume your ingnorance of the US Military extends to the fact that the Guard is a RESERVE unit only requiring a few days a month of service. The Dems want to blur the issue of national security because they know it is not a winning issue for them. Its hard to get a job when your dead. Kerry joined "Ex-servicemen against the war" when he left the Navy. It was a radical anti-war movement infiltrated with agents of North Vietnam who often marched under the NV flag at thier rallies......maybye that FACT slipped by you as well. I have indeed read his testimony....the stories of atrocities were TOLD to him.........he never witnessed ANY of them. There were many violations of the rule of war in the Vietnam conflict on both sides......why didn't those who saw such things not report them at the time?????? If the numbers of troops that were involved were really that high dont you think there would have been more press coverage of the event? Kind of defies logic give the attitude of the press at the time. Kerry threw his RIBBONS over the White House fence but kept the medals. It is a PERFECT way to discredit him in a couple of ways. One it shows that he was slick enough to think they just might prove of value in the future and two, it proves he did not really believe in what he was doing, showing how two faced he was. (and is) Here is a factoid on changing views to suit voters......Kerry voted AGAINST the Marriage act signed by Clinton, stating marriage is between a man and a woman. NOW he says he is against it! His entire voting records shows such things. He votes against almost all of the major weapons systems we use now in the war, then says he knows how to run the military better than Bush because of his service 30 years ago? When this illegal marriage flap began last week in SF the President stated very clearly he is against gay marriage. Period. Kerry waffled for a few days (took a look at the polls stating that a big majority of the US feels the same way as the Pres) then came out with a position vastly different than his previous one. You really need to get out of your basement more often and see the REAL world. First of all the WMDs DID exist....even France and the UN admitted it. Many think they were moved to Syria before the war started.....who really knows......do you really think W and his cabinet would take the country to war over an issue they KNEW would turn out to be embarrassing to them and hurt Ws chances of re-election? Give me a break. Ever heard of N Korea....not dangerous huh? What about Iran? Never heard of them huh? OH, did you see Putin playing dictator the other day bragging they now have a missle that can penetrate out missle defenst shield when it is deployed? (probably BS since the Russians can barely feed themselves) China wants Tawain back and we have a treaty to defend them if they attack. Being Canadian gives you many advantages...the biggest is haveing the freedom to trash your neighbor without have to take hardly any risk in its own defense. I have two words to say to Canada during our election year....BUTT OUT. edit spelling Last edited by Bodyguard on Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:39 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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| Oh and sleK, do you always pull quotes from other sites to use on here? I thought that was against the rules........your behavior on the other RW has not been sterling as I remember. | |
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LOL...
The Taliban is still operating. Thus your statement that the US "took the Taliban out", with which you meant to imply that the Taliban has been defeated in order to support the value of GWB's administration, is false. Bin Laden is still free. The Taliban still operates. Thus the administrations "War on Terror" was a hoax and is a failure.
US soil has seen, what? Three, maybe four or five, terrorist attacks in the last few hundred years? And weren't a couple of those perpetrated by US citizens? Oh no! :roll: Fear mongering at its finest BG. And what does military power have to do with it? I suspect nothing. Foreign policy is what has made the US a target. Canada's foreign policies aren't quite so, uhhh... destructive to foreign nations. Thus we're not a target.
No. And you have nothing to support such a claim. First, it's what you do - your behaviour in other countries, that has caused terrorist organizations to focus their eyes upon the US. Second, there is no "constant threat of attack". That's just the fear-mongering, which you've proven yourself quite susceptible to, talking.
Once again, in order for such a statement to be even remotely true, you'd be obligated to show that your national security is being threatened. Which it is not.
The Air Reserves.
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LOL!! Peaceful protests are "radical" now? That's funny! A bullshit statement like this requires a link BG. Hand it over. "Infiltrated with agents"! Bah!! :D As you're no longer with Sears, perhaps you should consider a career in stand-up comedy? :D
Matters not.
^^ Keep this quote in mind.
Report them to who?
I don't get it. Above you say that there were many "violations of the rule of war", but here you're trying to suggest that there wasn't 'cuz if there were, they would have been reported in the press. Which is it BG? Did events like the ones in Kerry's testimony happen? Or not?
Not really. The press is pretty tightly controlled during war.
And that goes for just about any politician. So, your point is, well... pretty much pointless.
Oh no! The man changed his mind! God forbid a man the ability to see the error in his ways and/or represent the will of the people. Isn't that the point of elected representatives anyways? To represent the will of the people?
The key word there is "DID" and I thank you for emphasizing it. :D
Exactly. Who really knows? However, as your current administration has shown time and time again, facts aren't terribly important in such matters.
Thats's exactly what they did. Now it's simply a matter of the US populace recognizing the lies and deceit and voting accordingly. I don't blame GWB for this mess. He can only act with what information is given to him. However, he is the spokesperson, per se, for the neo-con agenda.
Unless you can provide evidence that suggests NK has the means to deliver ordinance to US soil, no. They're not a threat to US security.
I was under the, possibly mistaken, impression that US relations with Iran were pretty good right now?
Whoopty-doo. Does Russia not have the right to develop a defense system?
Oh, don't be so ignorant. Having such integral cultural and economic ties to the US means that we, as Canadians, have a vested interest in US politics. Thus we have the right and an obligation to analyze, criticize and generally comment on your political processes. |
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I was going to answer your points above untill I read the following statement.
You dont have the "right" for shit in the US. That is the whole point I have been making in the difference between the Dems and the Republicans. The Dems want us to bend to the will of the UN and all of the other nattering nabobs in Europe as regards to our military. Your other points are the usual crap that you think up....the link you posted is a hate Bush website.....hardly "proof" of your post. A few points real quick before I post on this subject again with some links. Canada's foreign policey is harmless because Canada is harmless. You have no way of KNOWING for sure that the US is not under threat all the time.....ok PROVE we are not under theat since you claim we are not. Are you privy to secret documents? Now before you say I am not either, logic suggests that we are indeed instead of your position because we have been attacked in the past. Some prostests were peacefull some were very violent......you really should brush up on your American history....you are making a fool of yourself. If you dont know that some of the anti war movement was infiltrated with communist agents then you are indeed ignorant...(I Will be providing links and proof for this in the next few days) It does MATTER if Kerry saw them or not.....at this point in his life he would have said anything to discredit the war. Violations in the rule of war were in the press all the time. BUT not as wide spread as Kerry lied about......again by your own standards...where is the proof? Are you really going to show how little you know about the Vietnam Conflict by saying that the press was tightly controlled in it? Keep talking you just dig yourself in deeper and deeper. During Desert Storm the military made a huge effort to controll the reporting by the use of "pools" of reporters.....a direct result of the uncontrolled press during Vietnam. My point was not for just any politician....it was about Kerry, so your point it stupid. (hey it is ok for me to do it because everybody else does it) Changing his mind is one thing but flip flopping and not standing by your record of votes is another......your logic is truly stunning..... North Korea is a danger to South Korea (ever heard of them, we have 30.000 troops there) we have a defense treaty with them....ipso facto they are a danger. Just two days ago Iran admitted it has the means to produce weapons grade plutonium....something they dont need for nuclear power plants.......hmmmmmmmm gee no danger there huh? I notice you did not care to comment on the threat from China.....if you cant see the world is a dangerous place you are indeed blind and or lying to yourself. Your response to Russia is Whoopty doo? What an expert on internations relations you are! My advice? Stick to what you know.....you seem pretty sharp in computers, unions and grocery stores and their issues. But you are far from an expert in the area you are posting in. And yes I dont work for Sears anymore but I do HAVE a job...can you say the same? PS not going to answer about the rules regarding cross posting? |
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Here is a link to a veterans page....it is mainly a blog but it has some interesting facts and ideas regarding actions of Veterans against the war and who supported them and what they did...I really liked the pic of Jane Fonda at a N Vietnemise AA site.....remember her famous quote of "I wish there were American planes up there so I could shoot them down" But I suppose that is not a traitor to some on here.......Would a true patriot associate with such people who were very active in the anti war movement. Many were honest people who wanted to stop war........many had their own agenda.....these are what I am talking about.
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Oh and here is the link in response yours on W and his service...in the article there are more links that disprove all of the lies that have been told.
http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000395.html |
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