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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:36 am Post subject: This 'Competition" Crap Is 2 DIFFERENT Games | |
| "oh we must compete,oh the competition is killing us etc"-How is there "competition" if 2 distinctly different "games" with different objectives being played.Even if it's the Malaysian TV factory worker whose primary objective is probably just to feed themselves or family & NOT pay the rent,mortgage,car,utility bill,medical insurance etc-you know-the things that make a standard of living which require a living wage.I dont think the local power company puts meters on a shack or hut in these 3rd world 'we can't compete with but will take advantage of countries/populations'.Appliance manufacturers including Sears suppliers are planning to move many jobs down to Mexico where LESS than 'shanty" towns pop up right outside of the factories spewing more pollutants than an entire city or state since the "businesses" down there don't seem to have to worry about the public welfare/decent living conditions.I think it was the Auto Workers who lost jobs to a plant in Mexico(just south of Brownsville Texas USA) that spewed so many pollutants it INCREASED the cancer rate that/our own United States of America's town/s.Different rules=different game=no competition. | |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:08 am Post subject: | |
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Sm, I know you want a reply, but I need to digest all of this before I comment.
I do have one comment to much of this,I knew going into retail that It is not a job that I would become rich off of. I think to a certain point there is a salary "cap" . No offense, but retail is not brain surgery. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:20 am Post subject: | |
| one way to stop this is very simple before they wipe out the middle income of society. Our government needs to tax the hell out of these companies for bringing the product back here. Bring back the tariff tax. I think we need to fight back on all accounts not just retail. Truth is the reason I did work retail was to make a good living. It use to be their. | |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:35 am Post subject: | |
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This is for Mrs DD..... I was not referring to Sears associates when I said workers were overpaid for the job they did. The conversation had drifted toward factory line workers and the wage and benefit hourly rates they made versus the skill it takes to perform their duties. It's been out of whack for the last few decades.....which has led to the loss of jobs here and an increase of jobs moving to Mexico where labor is very cheap.
I do not believe rank in file workers at Sears makes too much money. Just so we're clear. But Matrix's proposal of $9 -$10/hr STARTING wages for all Sears employees is not financially feasible for us. We cannot afford that and I believe his poll results (last time I checked) reflected that feeling as well. "Footie" |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:39 am Post subject: | |
| Footie hate to put a damper on the party but if you check the poll that i posted in "making move towards unionization" where i quoted paying people 10-12 dollars base pay you will see that the majority (50 percent plus one) agree with me. i am glad i put that poll out there. | |
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Ok, lets tax the hell out of these companies for importing cheap products...and then pay twice as much for these products when we go to buy them. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:05 am Post subject: | |
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so when did you get all hot about unions, all you did before was to give people trouble, you troll
mod edit: Speaking of trolls, haven't you already been asked to read the PG rp? |
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Genious!!! |
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Just to play devil's advocate for a moment. Let's say that Sears pays 10-12 dollars an hour base pay. How many more billions of dollars in sales will we have to generate in order to pay for this increase? |
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know quite a few people who have recently taken jobs in retail, we hired on new cashiers at $6.50 - $7 an hour at our store. And our MCA's at $7. Had a friend who started at Penny's a few weeks ago for $8.50 doing the same basic duties of a MCA. Asked a friend who is a manager at Ayers and said they were bringing in their dept people with similar duties to a MCA at $8.
Just a few figures, of course we know pay rates are diffrent in diffrent parts of the country. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:24 am Post subject: | |||
Please post any factual numbers on how unions help the econmy. They may help workers in some industries but I have never seen evidence they help the overall economy. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:29 am Post subject: | |||
Smart move....tax corporations more so they have less to pay us........there is only so much money a company has........does anyone one get it??......the last thing we need to do is increase taxes on ANYBODY......let the economy breathe.....get the government out of the way! Taxation is total tyrnanny! |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:36 am Post subject: | |
I should have been more specific in pointing out that economies of other countries in areas such as manufacturing have been helped out by unions. I posted some statistics in those in my original post. Thank you bodyguard for pointing that out (and no I am not mocking you:) You know it's funny, even though we might not always get along so well you do one thing very well for me. That is you keep me on my toes. You always (or so it seems) read through the posts I make with a fine comb and pick out things here and there. Hopefully if I ever become a CEO of one of my fathers friends firm (or his) I will remember the days on this website and how you helped make me more technically sound in my speech. Remember always look for the silver lining in a dark cloud. I found a gold mine  . Again thank you everyone for your posts. I really do appreciate and respect everyone's comments. I am not one (unless you want me to be) to spout of opinions and want everyone to believe them without any debate back or exchange of ideas. From the very debating that I have shared with some of you it has helped mold and shape my perspectives of not only this company but work in general. I feel empowered each and every day that I come here because I am able to share my thoughts as well as receive them from others. I hope everyone had a good day today (I did 3600 with 560 dollars in warranties) and have a great weekend and again thanks for showing enthusiasm in writing responses to my posts.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:00 pm Post subject: | |
| Yes Folks! That is why we have wage surveys. The Co IS suppouse to do them once or twice a yr. I know I did one when I was in HR and what many of you are suggesting people get paid, are competiors are not paying that. | |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:14 pm Post subject: | |
| Just for the record, we have to start somewhere companies should be taxed for taking jobs out of the country. If the jobs stayed here the economy would be much better, the quality of merchandise would be better. I do not agree that companies taking jobs out of the country we have too many people out of work. Monkey see Monkey do. Maytage for instance, ( the quality of merchandise goes down and we are forced to sell) | |
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msguru - it must be that I feel a bit bristly, you are correct - "retail is not brain surgery" - it does take a bit of talent to work in retail successfully - it takes skill to multi-task - which is what is required - I must approach every customer within a 20 ft radius and ask how I might help, answer sometimes 2 phones at once, acknowledge questions from other associates, check stock, check rim, search out, ring up, put-up stock, do out-of-stocks, clean, page, assist in paint, direct, recheck signs, set ads, change out endcaps, update planograms, fix this, fix that, remember this, remember that, keep the lead and my ASM informed of progress and what needs to be done, and a multitude of other "no brainer" insignificant tasks - most of which I must tackle alone on the floor - I rely heavily on the major hitters in lawn & garden - you are so right - it isn't brain surgery - but then a brain surgeon is a focused professional, who has a "TEAM" to assist him/her - he doesn't have to schedule operations, find an opening in the operating room schedule, give anesthesia, sterilize the instruments, prepare the patient, get his needed tools, bill the insurance, order supplies, etc., etc., etc., or clean-up - I am not a skilled professional with a doctorate - and I don't expect a surgeon's fee for my services - I want a fair wage and accountability at the top - everyday we are given challenges to raise sales and expected to do so with no end reward for our labors - but corporate executives reap a reward without expectation of raising anything except their bonus and option - anyone can cut expenses - it takes a skilled surgeon to operate successfully MrsDD |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:42 pm Post subject: | |
| Well said mrs. DD. | |
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I to wish for the days when e all work together to make it work, but those days are gone,due to the fact many people just don't care. |
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Mrs. DD, you have a way with words! (By the way, your ism team should be doing all your endcaps, setting your ads and doing all your planograms! Your mca should be doing your out-of-stocks for the pricing person to zero out and reorder.)
It sounds like your ASM is one lucky person to have you! 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:54 am Post subject: unions | |
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Unions help the national economy a bit I suppose, but they sure do hurt the company economy a ton.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 3:53 am Post subject: | |
| They hurt the company economy. How is that? If people are paid more on average yet the more efficient production from more experienced employees and technology make up for it (not to mention the reduction of turn over costs and training) plus more then how does it hurt the company economy? You know icki we would not need unions if it was not for corporate greed at the top. Top notch managent at sears in my opinion does not seem to care about us. When they start caring and paying people what they are worth then i will be the first one to say that we dont need to unionize sears. Untill then my opinions will stay the same. | |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:49 pm Post subject: | |
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Matrix, you have no proof that Unions improve company performance. However, increased wages are seen immediately on the bottom line and in decreased shareholder value.
Union = Increased corporate expense which results in reduced profits, lower stock price, and less job security for the workers when the company has to start job cuts as a result. "Footie" |
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You can view the differences between union and non-union Compensation Costs between the years 1998-2003 as recorded by the Dept. of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics. Employment Cost Index |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 1:48 am Post subject: | |
| Footie no proof that I have ever seen that six sigma has helped any company. Most have just helped the leaders on stock options. Am I right!!! | |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:16 pm Post subject: motorola | |
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Six Sigma helped Motorola save millions per year.
ICKIMORE |
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