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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 3:14 am Post subject: You May remove Your Name and Info from the old RW Database | |
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If you wish to remove your information from the old RW database, you may do so by emailing
removeme@retailworker.com According to the instructions on the old RW web page, this must be done from the email address you orginally gave them. It must also be done by August 14, or you will be automatically tranfered over to the new site owners database. I have removed mine. I prefer to join a site at my own discretion, not by default. JL |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 3:35 am Post subject: | |
Thank you! 
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And the reason, would be why?
If you can`t stand to the reality of being true to one`s self, would the point of , be a question? It is within`s one, to find a reason to ask, Ratchet |
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If within a women, this was done>"think"
Would we have it done another why? This is but to ask of a way of "thinking" in that I ask. Read, and understand, for what you belive you heard, Ratchet |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:44 am Post subject: Re: You May remove Your Name and Info from the old RW Databa | |||
Thanks for the info....I certainly will not want to be part of a Communist-Socialist organization like the IWW....PLEASE PLEASE read about them before you commit to identify with their cause!!!!!!!! Knowledge is power! Please read what the IWW REALLY stands for! http://www.iww.org/stand.shtml |
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It is only by the understanding of the way of, that one can belive theirselfe not to follow the plan.
Have we been here before? Ratchet |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:22 am Post subject: | |
Everyone should be getting an email from them in what to do if you want to be removed. Got one very early this morning. 
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: You May remove Your Name and Info from the old RW Databa | |||
I just did! They kick ass! Perfect! ~GoodFella |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 4:50 pm Post subject: | |
| Gee GF I never knew you wanted to be an unpaid slave of the State..... | |
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 Yes Bodyguard. That's exactly what they stand for.
Only through unabashed consumerist capitalism can you ever be "free." Don't forget the secret equation that has kept the rich in this country rich and the poor in this country poor for at least the last century. UNIONS = COMMUNISM = EVIL As long as everyone keeps believing that, we'll keep staying in the same place. Yes the IWW is ant-capitalist. That was how all the unions got started, before, IMO, the big ones got roped in by a system that was designed to weaken and control them. There's a difference between anti-capitalism and Stalinist dictatorship, though. People with Wobbly ideologies were, in fact, oppressed in the old USSR just as bad or worse than other dissenters.They also got a rough ride in the supposedly freedom-loving US of A. (Check out the Joe Hill story, for example. You probably believe that PBS are evil communists, too, though...) Anyway, you should also know that you don't have to join the IWW in order to participate in the site. But still, no-one is making you do anything you don't want to. It's easy to opt out. I know some of you would have preferred an "opt-in." But you should note that at least the old RW owner deleted all the IP information before turning the site over. So the new owners aren't getting anything other than a screen name and an email address. The advantage to the current system is that it "reserves" your current membership ID for you so there is no risk that someone else will come in and take it first, before you get there. That is important because the IWW is also preserving the old post archive. Also, although you are only being given until August 14 to decide whether or not to take your screen name off before the site is turned over to the IWW, I am pretty sure that the IWW will still accept "remove" requests after they become the new owners. But yeah, I would encourage anyone who does not want to give the new site a chance, to opt out now. I think it's a mistake to do so. But you all know I am very pro-Wobbly. It is certainly not my place to tell you what is right for you, though. I am just giving you my opinion. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 11:56 pm Post subject: | |
| When a group advocates a "no wage" system, that, to me means slavery. I sure prefer an honest days pay for an honest days work. The effort of an individual to better himself is the ultimate freedom. The chance to succeed based on effort is such an American value. Yes I am not afraid to say it...communism is evil IMO. Any system that take all fruit of individual labor and gives it to the government is disgusting to me. Communism cant survive in a freely elected society. Name one communist country that has the freedoms of the US to have free and open elections. And what I mean by that is secret ballots.....more than one political party on the ballot and regularly scheduled elections. | |
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I think the "abolition of the wage system" line is in archaic and overly-technical language. What it means is that workers will take the full value of their labor, instead of a partial payment (a "wage") minus the stolen surplus.
What does this tired pablum mean anyway? Effort is freedom? So ... if my leg is trapped under a boulder and I strain unsuccessfully to move it, eventually hacking off my leg in desperation, that is a lot of effort. Is that freedom more ultimate than something I would much prefer doing, like eating burritos? That doesn't take much effort. But I feel more free eating burritos than being trapped under a boulder. QED!
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Do you consider freedom of action and choice and the ability to suceed beyond the norms as tired????? Freedom means the lack of government to get in your way to succeed and better yourself. The more government the less freedom for the individual. Oh did you find a communist country that has the same free and open elections as I defined in my last post? |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:37 am Post subject: | |
| I guess my only answer to this is a question. Who determines prevailing wage? Cuz, my husband makes $17.50/hr normally, but when he works certain city jobs, he gets anywhere from $23 to $30 per hour. | |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:10 am Post subject: | |
BB: The short answer is that the government believes your husband's work to be of higher value to it than the private sector's supposed "free market" determines. The Wobblies would say that a big problem with the private sector valuation is that it is based upon the corporate employer taking his share of "profit" out of your husband's labor first, and then leaving him with whatever is left. The government, which does not operate on a for-profit basis, is able to pay him something closer to the true value of his labor, at least when the government chooses to do so. In this case, they probably choose to do so because they are forced to by those nasty, powerful public sector unions. 
Before we wander too tangentially further on this thread, I might humbly suggest that this other thread may be a better starting point for a discussion of what the IWW is all about, and how people feel about it: Do you agree with the stated goals of the IWW? Some of the "stated goals" may eventually prove worth separating and debating in their own right. The merits of "surplus value theory," as it relates to "abolition of the wage system" may be one of them. Craft v. Industrial unionism perhaps another. Whether electoral democracy is real democracy or just a sham front for the true dictatorship of Capital could be yet a third. But BG's thread is a good start and I would be interested to see what comes of it. Thanks all. In Peace and Solidarity, RD |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:46 pm Post subject: what's happening? | |
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Hey everybody, sorry I haven't posted on this yet but I've been real busy with union business: movie night! Finally Got the News, about the League of Revolutionary Black Workers.
I'm not speaking here in any official capacity for my union, the IWW (which now holds retailworker.com), but there's some things I can clarify: Our intent is not to compete with this site and we appreciate what SleK and all the MFD folks did to quickly set up this discussion board. Whern we decide what to do with the retailworker.org domain (probably will hash it out at our General Assembly in a few weeks), it will likely offer services that aren't identical to the ones here. Possibly an "ask the wobblies" section like YAWM's "ask the rep", focused discussion areas geared toward connecting activists in different stores and companies with labor and community organizers in their areas, labor news. These are just my guesses and things that have been mentioned in our discussions. Big thanks to BodyGuard for promoting our Preamble, we're very proud of it; it truly describes what we're about. However, no participant in our website is required to agree with the preamble or be an IWW member. We're open to any suggestions on what to do with retailworker.org, you can post them to this thread or PM me and I'll pass them on. I don't expect it to copy the set-up here very closely, unless the admins here get tired and the world needs a general retail-industry discussion board again. Solidarity Forever, Alexg |
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It`s late , and I got one for ya,
You can`t honestly be that dam young. For what is/ would be the dream? and as to why/how? Do you know, yourself ? Dam , that was a question, Ratchet |
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