retail-worker.com        To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer.
Log in Register FAQ Forum Index
The Original Dept. of Homeland Security
   Forum Index -> Behind the Banter
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Nofsdad


Joined: 06 Jul 2003
Posts: 6744
Location: Central CA
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: The Original Dept. of Homeland Security  



Ask us what happens when you don't control immigration
Back to top
dictators_rule


Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Posts: 4793
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: sums it up  

That about sums it up Thumbs Up

But since most have no sense of history let alone the historical facts this will fly right by many. Sad

Going to stir things up by adding many but not all ILLEGAL immigrants are the ancestors of those who started this whole thing in the first place.History repeats again and again unless you learn from it.
Back to top
trueairspeed


Joined: 13 Mar 2005
Posts: 139
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject:  

Found this and just wanted to share it with all...

Quote:
Where Will Our Children Live...

A lonesome warrior stands in fear of what the future brings,
he will never hear the beating drums or the songs his brothers sing.

Our many nations once stood tall and ranged from shore to shore
but most are gone and few remain and the buffalo roam no more.

We shared our food and our land and gave with open hearts,
We wanted peace and love and hope, but all were torn apart.

All this was taken because we did not know what the white man had in store,
They killed our people and raped our lands and the buffalo roam no more.

But those of us who still remain hold our heads up high, and the spirits of
the elders flow through us as if they never died.

Our dreams will live on forever and our nations will be reborn, our bone and
beads and feathers all will be proudly worn.

If you listen close you will hear the drums and songs upon the winds, and in
the distance you will see....the buffalo roam again.

Submitted by Tommy Flamewalker Manasco


And this too...

Quote:
LONG BEFORE the white man set foot on American soil, the American Indians, or rather the Native Americans , had been living in America. When the Europeans came here, there were probably about 10 million Indians populating America north of present-day Mexico. And they had been living in America for quite some time. It is believed that the first Native Americans arrived during the last ice-age, approximately 20,000 - 30,000 years ago through a land-bridge across the Bering Sound, from northeastern Siberia into Alaska . The oldest documented Indian cultures in North America are Sandia (15000 BC), Clovis (12000 BC) and Folsom (8000 BC)

Although it is believed that the Indians originated in Asia, few if any of them came from India. The name "Indian" was first applied to them by Christopher Columbus , who believed mistakenly that the mainland and islands of America were part of the Indies, in Asia.

So, when the Europeans started to arrive in the 16th- and 17th-century they were met by Native Americans , and enthusiastically so. The Natives regarded their white-complexioned visitors as something of a marvel, not only for their outlandish dress and beards and winged ships but even more for their wonderful technology - steel knives and swords, fire-belching arquebus and cannon, mirrors, hawkbells and earrings, copper and brass kettles, and so on.

However, conflicts eventually arose. As a starter, the arriving Europeans seemed attuned to another world, they appeared to be oblivious to the rhythms and spirit of nature. Nature to the Europeans - and the Indians detected this - was something of an obstacle, even an enemy. It was also a commodity: A forest was so many board feet of timber, a beaver colony so many pelts, a herd of buffalo so many robes and tongues. Even the Indians themselves were a resource - souls ripe for the Jesuit, Dominican, or Puritan plucking.

It was the Europeans' cultural arrogance, coupled with their materialistic view of the land and its animal and plant beings, that the Indians found repellent. Europeans, in sum, were regarded as something mechanical - soulless creatures who wielded diabolically ingenious tools and weapons to accomplish mad ends.

The Europeans brought with them not only a desire and will to conquer the new continent for all its material richness, but they also brought with them diseases that hit the Indians hard. Conflicts developed between the Native Americans and the Invaders, the latter arriving in overwhelming numbers, as many "as the stars in heaven". The Europeans were accustomed to own land and laid claim to it while they considered the Indians to be nomads with no interest to claim land ownership. The conflicts led to the Indian Wars , the Indian Removal Act empowered by President Andrew Jackson in 1830 and other acts instituted by the Europeans in order to accomplish their objectives, as they viewed them at the time. In these wars the Indian tribes were at a great disadvantage because of their modest numbers, nomadic life, lack of advanced weapons, and unwillingness to cooperate, even in their own defense.

The end of the wars more or less coincided with the end of the 19th century. The last major war was not really a war, it was a massacre in 1890 where Indian warriors, women, and children were slaughtered by U.S. cavalrymen at Wounded Knee , South Dakota , in a final spasm of ferocity.

A stupefying record of greed and treachery, of heroism and pain, had come to an end, a record forever staining the immense history of the westward movement, which in its drama and tragedy is also distinctively and unforgettably American.

Undersigned being an European emigrating to the U.S. during the latter part of the 20th century, cannot fully comprehend what happened during the past few centuries. I am sure many descendants of emigrants as well as many Native Americans feel the same way. We are all a product of our time and the circumstances prevalent at the time. If I had lived with the Europeans in America during the 19th century, would I have embraced what was going on then? If I had lived with the Germans in the 1930s and 40s, would I have embraced what was going on in Germany then? If I had lived in Scandinavia during medieval time witnessing the horrors of slavery and killings, would I have embraced what was going on then? (The Nordic countries practiced slavery during the middle ages, a master could for any reason kill his slave. Abolished in 1335)

These are hard questions for anyone to honestly answer. It is easy to toss around opinions now, at the end of the 20th century being conveniently removed from circumstances and conditions in a distant and foreign time.


Yes, dictators_rule, history does indeed seem to repeat itself...
Back to top
dictators_rule


Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Posts: 4793
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: all illegals in a sense  

On one hand I should've noted things by noting that many LEGAL citizens are decendants of ILLEGAL aliens but those ILLEGAL aliens didn't sneak across clearly marked borders,fake documents,circumvent and under cut an economic system etc.Although did violate or ignore just about every treaty made with the original occupants.All that being said...history:learn about it benefit from it.
Back to top
Nofsdad


Joined: 06 Jul 2003
Posts: 6744
Location: Central CA
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject:  

I don't pretend to have a perfect understanding of the immigration situation.

I just get tired when I hear someone representing the White, Male, Christian, (and I suppose now we could add the word "Rich" in there too) power structure in this country ranting about the "need" to keep anyone else from getting any of what they've stolen over the past 500 years.

I don't "need" to lift a finger to help some fat rich guy steal from or in any wise screw over the working classes, wherever they or their mothers and fathers might have come from.
Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
   Forum Index -> Behind the Banter All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
Theme created by Vjacheslav Trushkin