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mpd,
I noticed your list of polititions who have millions only included Democrats which there are quit a few, but lets be honest, theres more on the Republican side, I think we can even go futher and say most of them on both sides have millions. Have you ever noticed that polititions spend more getting elected then they'll make salary wise in the four years they're elected for, what does that tell you.? If you compare their salaries to the overpaid CEO's in this country they wouldn't be considered extreme, but they get alot more than that salary, and compare their salary to the Military which are also Federal employees ( which alot of them have to draw food stamps) then their salary would be extreme. Congressman & Senators while in D.C. should live in a Federal Housing Compound just like the Military lives in Base housing, instead they buy houses worth millions, alot more than the salary will pay. 
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I know I know but there's also far less people in congress vs the military. Congress is only 435 people and the military over a million. It's going to be interesting to see how thigns pan out in the next ten or so years. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:12 am Post subject: | |
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mpd,
Yes it will be interesting to see the next few years unfold, but I think we can agree on this one, that the voters & tax payers need to get off their butts and get more involved in whats going on in this country, and in the workplace. If we don't then the future will be lower & lower wages and more poverty. We're heading for a two class country, you'll either be rich or poor. Just like in the workplace, you're either a hero or a zero, theres no "E" for effort anymore. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:09 pm Post subject: | |
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Millionaires love to give to causes. Paul McCartney gave 1.5 million to the tsunami relief, the US gave 350,000, Bill Gates gave something(can't remember how much). Let's have a fund raisers to get the US out of debt, before we are all in the soup line. Bill Gates could give 100 million, after all he is worth billions. The Queen of England made him a knight, so now he has a title and billions. Garth Brooks could throw in a million or two. Paul McCartney could do the same. Anyone of the thousands who have made their millions, billions off of the people of the US could contribute to save the American people from going under. I know this is a pipe dream. Now don't start with they earned that money and should be able to keep it. The people did get something for what they produce, this is true, but if it comes down to saving the US or making more money than you can spend or your children's children can spend. Help the people, balance the budget, get someone in there who can keep it balanced. The US day to day operations are a business, and needs to be run as such. Can a country go bankrupt? It seems if we can just print up money willy nilly then our money is just worth the paper it is printed on. I fear for my children, they will never see the land of opportunity, because when they finally do get out in the big world to make their life better, it won't be better. My wish for my children is that they have a comfortable life, not extreme wealth, but a comfortable life. If they want something, they have the cash to pay for it, take a trip pay cash. I do have credit cards but they are paid off every month. When my kids were little I owed $3000 to a credit card, it took me 3.5 years to pay that off. Never again, now if I can't pay cash, I don't need it, except in an emergency.
I have a hard time when going to the polls because all politicians say what we want them to. Lower taxes-sure, birth control-depends on who they are talking too, War--most will say they are against it. I think anyone who wants to be president is either power hungry or crazy, who would want that stress. Ever look at before and after pictures of the president. In 4 years they become very old looking men. I am neither Republican or Democrat, I vote for who I think will do the best job, some will be republican some democrat. I think the idea of putting congressmen and senators in housing like the military have is a great idea. If they all have housing then they would not need hugh salaries, they would all be on the same playing field. Great idea. I also think we could save a lot of money on prisons. Don't put criminals in buildings with cable tv, hot/cold water, cells. Put them in the great outdoors. Have a electric fence. Give them tents, and out houses. Prisons should not be a comfort, it is a punshment. Yes, I know it sounds like a concentration camp, but you know I don't give a damn if a child molestor or a murderer has comfort. That child will have nightmares the rest of their lives, that murder victim will never ever enjoy a comfort again, and the families of these victims have lost something they can never have again. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject: | |
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"Let's have a fund raisers to get the US out of debt, before we are all in the soup line. Bill Gates could give 100 million, after all he is worth billions. The Queen of England made him a knight, so now he has a title and billions. Garth Brooks could throw in a million or two. Paul McCartney could do the same. Anyone of the thousands who have made their millions, billions off of the people of the US could contribute to save the American people from going under. I know this is a pipe dream. Now don't start with they earned that money and should be able to keep it. The people did get something for what they produce, this is true, but if it comes down to saving the US or making more money than you can spend or your children's children can spend. Help the people, balance the budget, get someone in there who can keep it balanced. The US day to day operations are a business, and needs to be run as such. Can a country go bankrupt?"
The country and countries of the world already went bankrupt long ago. Much of what we even learn in history classes fails to omit plenty of things. For example during the civil war we're told it was north and south...in reality during the same time france invaded mexico and the uk sent tens of thousands of troops to canada and russia sent their navy to san francisco and off of virginia. it was north and russia vs south and uk and france in effect. In ww 2 we are taught that it started when we were attacked at perhal harbor but yet we already had the lend lease program with the uk and russia and imposed an oil embargo on japan and sent planes to attack and bomb the japanese in china. By provoking japan it got us out of the depression, the new deal programs didn't work. We had 33% unemployment all the way up to december of 1941. Even with social security it didn't help as that's just giving money - not creating jobs. "It seems if we can just print up money willy nilly then our money is just worth the paper it is printed on. I fear for my children, they will never see the land of opportunity, because when they finally do get out in the big world to make their life better, it won't be better. My wish for my children is that they have a comfortable life, not extreme wealth, but a comfortable life. If they want something, they have the cash to pay for it, take a trip pay cash. I do have credit cards but they are paid off every month. When my kids were little I owed $3000 to a credit card, it took me 3.5 years to pay that off. Never again, now if I can't pay cash, I don't need it, except in an emergency." Money is just paper. Canada got off the gold standard in the 20's we did in the 30's and 70's. Europe hasn't been on it and much of the rest of the world is the same. Although there are other currencies in the usa and others. Local currencies are legal as long as they can be redeemed in dollars on demand. The premise is that by having something only used in a locality that it keeps an economy moving. Such ones are berlington bread in berlington vt and uthica hours in uthica ny "I also think we could save a lot of money on prisons. Don't put criminals in buildings with cable tv, hot/cold water, cells. Put them in the great outdoors. Have a electric fence. Give them tents, and out houses. Prisons should not be a comfort, it is a punshment. Yes, I know it sounds like a concentration camp, but you know I don't give a damn if a child molestor or a murderer has comfort. That child will have nightmares the rest of their lives, that murder victim will never ever enjoy a comfort again, and the families of these victims have lost something they can never have again." I agree but then you'll hear some advocate about rehabilitation of people and piss and moan. Hell drunk driving is nearly legal in my state since we have a drunk for a senator and people get off with time served. If you kill someone with a gun you'll get life but if you mow down a bus lot while drunk you won't get much |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: | |
| I dispute you that we provoked Japan. If Japan wanted they could have detemined the bombing that you say as an act of war. The bombing of Pearl Harbor was deamed an ACT OF WAR by FDR. The Japanese ambassodor did not submit the treaty aggrement in time due to a translation problem and the Japanese fleets were put on active. They bombed us because of a technicality. We put sanctions on them for 50 years after the war ended, no navy, no embargo. That 50 years is over, and look how much flooding of the US comes from Japan. My father was at Pearl and at Midway. It was total inialation of our air command at Pearl December 7, 1941. Hiroshima was bombed on July 16, 1945, which vitually stopped the war. We bombed Hiroshima because it had a high concentration of military and FDR was not fooling around. Many lives were lost on both sides, drastic measures take drastic means. | |
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We were attacking japanese troops before peral harbor. This is a fact and cannot be disputed. Granted they were volunteers but still. We didn't put sanctions on them after the war...who told you this? Neverly every electronic part in the 80's was made in japan and is now made in china. How could anyone drive a honda or use a nintendo if there were sanctions on japan from the usa? We gave them trade agreements so they didn't have to accept imports and as a result they rebuilt things faster. What sense would there be to put sanctions on a country AFTER a war. That doesn't make any logical sense. Again look at the cars that came from the japan even from the 70's or so so clearly there was no sanctions for 50 years. Right now japan hardly makes anything as most factories in japan closed to reopen in china due to cheaper labor. FDR didn't order the bombing of hiroshima he was already half a year before that. It was Truman that gave the order and even then there were rumors in japan that something massive would happen. this was shown in the book Hiroshima by john hershey. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: | |
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I'm sorry it was Truman. FDR died in April. The peace treaty shows that Japan gave up holdings of Japan, and that the National Security Council considered Japan as a enemy of the State.
I am going on what was taught to me in school and from living through the time. I am sorry if my memories do not live up to your standards. You seem to be such a history buff, I can not match your knowledge but I am researching it. Are we talking about Pearl Harbor, or peral harbor. I get confused easily must be an age thing. |
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It's ok...could be worse. A friend of mine had a english teacher that thought that ww 2 ended with the nuclear bombing of korea ??? Japan gave up the sakklin island to russia. Generally the military generals were taken to trial. the emporer was allowed to stay but renouced the concept of being a god. same thing just bad spelling. |
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I pulled this off of the Japanese Peace Treaty for you.
CHAPTER II TERRITORY Article 2 (a) Japan recognizing the independence of Korea, renounces all right, title and claim to Korea, including the islands of Quelpart, Port Hamilton and Dagelet. (b) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores. (c) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Kurile Islands, and to that portion of Sakhalin and the islands adjacent to it over which Japan acquired sovereignty as a consequence of the Treaty of Portsmouth of 5 September 1905. (d) Japan renounces all right, title and claim in connection with the League of Nations Mandate System, and accepts the action of the United Nations Security Council of 2 April 1947, extending the trusteeship system to the Pacific Islands formerly under mandate to Japan. (e) Japan renounces all claim to any right or title to or interest in connection with any part of the Antarctic area, whether deriving from the activities of Japanese nationals or otherwise. (f) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Spratly Islands and to the Paracel Islands. Article 3 Japan will concur in any proposal of the United States to the United Nations to place under its trusteeship system, with the United States as the sole administering authority, Nansei Shoto south of 29deg. north latitude (including the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands), Nanpo Shoto south of Sofu Gan (including the Bonin Islands, Rosario Island and the Volcano Islands) and Parece Vela and Marcus Island. Pending the making of such a proposal and affirmative action thereon, the United States will have the right to exercise all and any powers of administration, legislation and jurisdiction over the territory and inhabitants of these islands, including their territorial waters. |
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