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Snurbble is a nice addition to the team here, IMO.
Of course, y'all be hatin' on him since he is not singing the approved party line. Snurbble: Anything that is not in line with the 'Sears Sucks' orthodoxy can and will be slammed. Of course, much at Sears does suck, but thats retail in general... In time, you will be accused of being a spy and/or a management stooge. Welcome! |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: | |
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JEEZ what a flipping crybaby!
Snurrble has yet to be challenged on anything he's said... good, bad or otherwise... about Sears, at least by me. Once again the discussion has been in regard to his personal attacks such as his depiction of others here as "all of you losers", and his propensity for going off topic to correct other people's spelling and grammar and/or just post totally irrelevant references having nothing to do with the subject at hand. Actually, he's doing a fine job of defending his "position"s all by himself and really doesn't need any help as far as I can see. Having seen your attempts to "team up" with various people you assume share your opinions of the old timers around here... Shake and modelemployee come quickest to mind...I know how desperate you can get for "allies" in your own campaign to discredit or deride the opinions of those same old timers. Maybe Snurb will decide to be your "buddy", maybe not but in the meantime, these obvious attempts to stir up shit between other members who have had nothing to do with you for weeks at a time until you start THIS crap and to insert yourself into a situation that has nothing to do with you whatsoever ... does nothing to further the best interests of the forum and are totally unbecoming someone of your claimed stature. So now, do your little "I get to say what I want as many times as I want and anyone who answers is beating up on me and needs to just let it slide for once" routine. Maybe you could just save time and cut and paste from the other thread where you said exactly the same thing. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: | |
 I don't know why, I thought SNURRBLE was a female?
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Could be for all I know. You have just as much chance of being right about that as anyone else in this land of anonymity. I'm pretty sure if it matters to Snurrble, he/she will say so. It's just way cumbersome having to use he/she her/his, etc., which I used to do constantly and still do sometimes. In this case, if I made a wrong guess, I'll apologize and go on. It really doesn't matter in terms of the discussion. |
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| I think Snurbble is a guy who is in touch with his feminine side. Certainly can whine like one when things don't go thier way. | |
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*chuckle*
You guys are so predictable... absolutely no ability to take a little ribbing, and skin so thin its amazing it holds in the blood and muscle! |
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So you're going to argue that it's ok to be genuinely rude and harsh to someone? Eh, this whole thing is lame. I'd say to both parties, just ignore it, and go about your business. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: | |
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Well, no actually.
Commenting on someone's actions or opinions is fine by me, and is anything but rude, it is merely opinion. But you have to admit that anything that goes against the prevailing local "Sears is Evil" orthodoxy will be roundly criticized, even if the comment is correct. Different perspectives are hooted down regularly here, and thats a fact. |
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Ok, but the "losers" comment wasn't commenting on anyone's opinions. It was commenting on people's character, which is a different matter entirely. So I'll rephrase the question. Do you believe it acceptable to be genuinely rude and insult someone's character? Simply because you have an unpopular opinion? I'll agree with your last statement, people here are quick to jump the gun if you're not in the same boat. However, opinions, whether positive or negative, aren't necessarily right or wrong, because of their nature of simply asserting an idea. The facts here do seem to support an opinion that Sears is generally on the downturn, which has been true both before the recession and now during it. So if the most of the people agree with that basic sentiment, then it's what you're normally going to find. Not that I represent any of those ideas, either. |
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Read the following in a calm, even tone to get what I am saying, and how I am intending it be read:
I made no comment on the 'loser' usage... I was commenting generally on the situation that led to it. And yes, Sears appears to be on a downward trend... as does much of retail... this is not gonna be a pretty cycle. That much seems to be obvious... however, its also obvious that there are those who wish ill upon a company that employes tens of thousands of people. Their prior negative experiences with Sears, which no one here participated in, are events to be learned from... but wishing the company to go out of business, taking with it those jobs? I think that wishing those people to lose their jobs is simply evil. You can disagree with the company's policies all you want, and voicing that disagreement is your right. And .... at the time the job no longer works for you (yes, now the screaming can really start) you can choose to look elsewhere for a new job, or you can simply 'do' the job you were hired to do. If you stay in a job you hate, you will do bad things to your soul and your health, as well as be a corrosive influence in the workplace. Now, all of that was stated as a general philosophical statement... I have singled no one out, nor have I accused any single person of malfeasance... and I recognize that mine is not a popular opinion here... you can disagree with me if you like, but the logic is hard to refute. And: I recognize that those who are long time employees just short of retirement have a serious investment of time in the place, and are simply trying to survive to that date... But think about this: If the place goes belly up in the meantime, you're just as screwed as if you quit. So while you are still an employee, you better give it your all so you can get to the finish line. I hope - although its not likely - that my opinion here will be read and understood as a dispassionate analysis, not a derogation of anyone's opinion here... and again, not pointing to any individual. I am expressing my opinion, and my general philosophy of life, and that is what this forum was created for, according to the mission statement. |
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Venting here, is, essentially, why this place exists.
I recognize that. Perhaps I have erred in postulating that some wish ill upon the company, although it does seem that there are some who would like to see that happen, so that Mr Ed will get his great comeuppance... But, you fairly point out that I could be misinterpreting their animosity. And i also recognize that the depth of the feeling is due in large part to the feelings of helplessness that the company, and the world around it, have changed... and not to their liking. But, acceptance of things you have no control over is a key element to living a happy and healthy life... thats all my point is, really. |
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Point taken. |
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Okay by God, it's time to put up or shut, MA. Since you've gone so far as to make an open accusation this time suppose you just sashay back a step and figure out how produce one single instance of when myself or any of the other "grumpy old men" you blather about have given any indication of what you just claimed? Once instance where all or one of us have stated that we WANTED Sears to go out of business so that these people here would suffer, that we WANT all these people here to lose their jobs. That is the sickest, most blatant display of modern day politics I have ever seen used on this board. I' was wondering how far you'd go to try to incite hate and discontent... now I flipping know. I've been here with many of these people for seven fricking years now and NEVER... not one damned time have I EVER... indicated that I wished any kind of evil to befall them, nor have I seen any member of the group you're constantly attacking do so and anyone that says I have or that they have is either a God damned liar or totally fricking stupid. You're famous for making hyperbolic statements based on nothing but thin air but this time you've gone too damned far. I'm waiting. |
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Golly.
*reads statement again* I don't see you referenced there Nofs, nor do I see a single other individual named, so, untwist the panties a bit. k? My comments were generalizations, based on a composite of comments from many here over the time I have been around. Let me clarify a bit here on the source of the sentiment in my comments: Do you deny that there are those here who would love to see Mr Ed take a huge tumble? Since he owns half the joint, if he goes down, so does the entire company, and all those jobs with him. The relationship there is undeniable. Wishing his demise is, unfortunately, the same as wishing the demise of the enterprise. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: | |
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Once again:
http://www.retail-worker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9919 |
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And again: show me where I attacked you or singled you out and we have a discussion.
IN FACT, I implicitly stated that I was not speaking to or about a single person at all. Your indignation is at odds with what I said. |
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What the hell are you doing... actually TRYING to keep it in front of your public now? 
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Customers can be annoying but I'm probably an annoying customer myself. The only thing that really annoys me is management. It took the last set of managers more than a year to get me any Sears Logistics shirts and at one time I was told I'd have to order them myself. Unlike the last managers who didn't care, the current ones demand I wear a Sears shirt everyday. Problem is I have three shirts and I don't feel like doing laundry twice a week.
My main annoyance with management is giving new people a higher wage than the rest of the department. F.U. |
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| Since most of us have to buy our own work clothes, you aren't going to get much sympathy, at least from me. | |
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| Eh? It still comes out of my pay. | |
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The day sears died to me was
1. Premoting puppets as managers in my store that had no expirence with retail or selling products or warranties. I was expected to train these puppets on how to do their jobs. I purposely gave them the wrong information. 2. Was written up by the store manager numerous times for not respecting his puppets during pa meetings. because I told him " a manager earns respect, not by having a job title". 3. the constant yelling for more credit apps per month. now I tell the puppets that I have ocd, and because of this problem I only can get prime number amounts not more than 5 per month 4. Our store puppets pulling comisson associates off closing a big ticket item to put stock away and giving the finished sale to the moles in the departments. 5. the day our store manager started putting his puppets in lead and manager positions. While they drink coffee all day in the office and expect the veterns of the departments to do their jobs because the puppet leads have job titles. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:13 am Post subject: it's all in a name | |
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sellonly-it's sounds like you've been getting stuck with the same type of coach-punks with a management title and Napoleon complex.
The old Sears & Roebuck was bad enough but when Eddie & Aylwin went on their purges if you showed the littlest ambition you got promoted:not because you were qualified but to send a message to the old Sears management AND associates that you are expendable and basically not wanted. Problem with alot of the current coaches is that they learned from old Sears Roebuck management that was already DESPERATELY trying to hang on from the Lacy era-the ends justify the means. |
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Yes, I'm glad to see the thread moving back on topic...
Okay, pet peeves... - having people on the team that slack off. We have this one guy that joined the team a few months ago. At first, he was pretty good. Scanned everything and made sure that everything that was on sale got a sale sign. Now he's just gotten really friggin' sloppy. He signed my department two ads in a row now after the boss said we have to get more familiar with other departments and I never want his grubby little hands touching my department again! It was awful! He is so LAZY! - having a lead that punishes people for being sick and calling off. He gets mad if someone calls in ever, no matter what the reason. He punishes them by cutting hours the next week. - being told to do something and then later, after you finished said product, being told you did it wrong (though you followed their directions to the point and even checked off the list that you made THEM write out) and having to do it over again. I have an auditory processing disorder, so I get people to write whatever they need me to do (if it's complex) down so I am able to correctly execute it. - being told to go faster in an ad set and basically cut corners to get it down in a set amount of time. My job is to do it RIGHT and COMPLETELY. I don't cut corners! I think I do a fast job. I can set HF in four to five hours on a major ad day (and we have a big HF department.) I am extremely thorough. This I get good reviews on...but then in the same review, I get bad marks for being too slow. What do you want? A thorough, maybe slower job? Or a crappy, fast job? I'm getting mixed signals here. Okay, the end. edit: not the end...one more thing... Oh yeah, and for god's sake...you D46 people--learn the difference between undersink filters, in-line filters and, and fridge filters! Undersink and in-line belong in D42. Filters for fridges...well, DUH...those go in D46! Why the hell do you keep sending them over to D32/42 for that stuff! You have a whole friggin' wall of fridge filters! Do you know what you have in your department?! ARGH! /endrant |
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