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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:57 am Post subject: Health Care Passes House LATE SAT NIGHT. Why Am I Not Happy | |
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Healt care barely passes the house LATE on a Saturday Night- almost 2000 pages. Why am I not happy ?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091108/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul;_ylt=AnFv0j2dX3cSYwiXXPC3ymhYRJ54;_ylu=X3oDMTJxODgydGhkBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTA4L3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX292ZXJoYXVsBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA2hvdXNlcGFzc2VzaA-- Why am I not happy? For starters: http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583 But a 2,000 page bill is pushed through and squeezes by LATE ON SATURDAY NIGHT on a weekend-Nah: no pressure or hiding in plain sight here... I could debate this forever but just realize once the government's in your business so is the public. My biggest thing with this is that is does NOT address what's actually going on in the health care industry. It only addresses how and who is going to pay for it. It does not address cost. And again. A 2,000 page bill that was almost dead in the water is rammed through on a Saturday NIGHT on a weekend when most of the public wouldn't be thinking about calling their representative about a vote. On the first weekend after a crushing defeat for the pushing party(actually strategically the only thing the Bill pushers could do). But should YOUR health care & COSTS be decided by a chess GAME ? Politics as usual if you ask me. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:09 am Post subject: | |
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I am not real happy with this bill. As time goes on, and more people get thier hands into it, it keeps getting farther and farther away from what the objective should have been: Get people covered who want it, fix medicare, and lower the costs.
I can't see this bill getting through the senate, and we'll be right back to square 1. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:33 am Post subject: Lower the cost | |
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You got it. It really doesn't FIX anything. It's just a different way to pay for it. The actual medical care costs are the real issue.
The bill and backers ASSume the cost structure is OK and it's that people just can't afford it. But how is a 700$ aspirin OK or a 200K 12 hour stay/emergency room visit OK. Until THE ACTUAL COSTS issues are addressed it will be politics as usual. |
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Take a close look at the Stimulus Bill --- the one we HAD TO PASS or else the entire country would collapse.
The bricks of the health care bill are ALREADY CEMENTED in there. Not out in the open, though. But nobody reads anything over 5 pages anyways, so what's the harm. How's that H1N1 vaccine situation going? Hmmm, have a look at this: Mr. Obama, I'm Calling You Out
And they said Palin was wrong about "death panels". It gets better! One of Barry's Buddies tells his folks to take 3 minute showers and has regular blackouts. Government is Good!
Sounds like Al Gore's mantra --- YOU have to stop global warming, but it's OK for ME to fly my private jets, eat meat, have my house output more carbon in a month than yours does in a year, etc. BUT BTW --- his lifestyle won't be affected! 80 folks are now unemployed, but the jets will still fly. Poor Al, he's so misunderstood. Sounds like Eddie Lampert-style budgeting.
Those Venezuelans sure are living high on the hog, aren't they? Why not take a trip and see it in action? Bring your own private security force though. An excerpt from the State Department's travel site:
Or maybe tag along on a Oliver Stone/Brad Pitt/Michael Moore tour. It won't show you the "regular people" of the country, but you're not one of them, are you? Just wait for health care "reform". Hope and Change, yep it's coming. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:29 am Post subject: | |
| No offense, but help me connect the dots between health care reform and Hugo Chavez? | |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:45 am Post subject: WHAT HAPPEND TO THE SCREEN SIZE | |
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WHAT HAPPEND TO THE SCREEN SIZE ON THIS THREAD .
It's been bugging me all week. I'm wondering if jb was gonna alude to communism/socialism and just started and couldn't stop. I ramble sometimes. The article seems to be a commentary or editorial that started out as a critque of government run health care and got diverted. I'm still ticked that the fact a 2000 page bill was passed on a Saturday night probably unread and non of the commentators picked up on that. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: | |
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Yea it's a lot like the Commodities Act Phil Gramm got through. Added very last second to a bill, and no one even read what was in the stupid thing, yet we get to pay for it now with unregulated exotic commodities.
I really hope this dies or get seriously re-written in the Senate. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:43 am Post subject: | |
I had something to add to this thread but after reading JB's post I couldn't remember what the hell it was. 
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:46 am Post subject: | |
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As for screen size... although it seems to have adjusted itself now, it may have had something to do with
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091108/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul;_ylt=AnFv0j2dX3cSYwiXXPC3ymhYRJ54;_ylu=X3oDMTJxODgydGhkBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTA4L3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX292ZXJoYXVsBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA2hvdXNlcGFzc2VzaA-- I have no flipping idea why Yahoo often insists on these kind of urls but they can play hell when posted in forums.
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http://www.tiny.cc/
this site helps make things better |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:03 am Post subject: Saturday Night | |
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Sooo, you want to pass 1900 page bills
on Saturday night. Ok, let's make sure we all know what's in the bill let alone understand it. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/19/health-bill-could-get-34-hour-reading-senate/ |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:24 pm Post subject: | |
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Sorry, I do not do the Washington Times site. Last time I was there it wanted to set no less than 16 flipping cookies, only two of them actually from their own site. They are nothing but a tracking station for spammers.
But I'm a firm believer that not one damned congresstwit should ever be allowed to vote on any piece of legislation without having been tested to see that he or she had read and understood just what the hell they were voting on. A set of random questions plucked from various parts of the bill would suffice. For one thing, if they actually had to read and understand the damned things and actually do the job we pay them to do instead of simply sitting back and seeing which lobbyist was going to put the most bucks in their fricking slush funds, there probably wouldn't BE any 34 page bills coming before them in the first place. We could get back to dealing with each other in plain fricking English As it is now, the threats to require a complete reading of the bill is nothing but more of the same damned showboating histrionics and tactics they've used to obstruct and block anything and everything their corporate paymasters don't want passed in their zeal to cram as much wealth as they can into their own pockets in case someone comes up with some REAL reforms. Just like the fricking credit card companies are doing. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:09 am Post subject: History repeats-The Louisiana Purchase Redux | |
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/the-100-million-health-care-vote.html
the undecided senator from Louisiana get a 100 million for her state and wow-she agrees to vote on the Health Care bill Eh, politics as usual. Not surprising. Just think this crap goes on in the corporate world on a smaller level as well. |
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| Government or Corporate... there isn't a pinch of monkey shit's worth of difference between them. The damned revolving doors between government offices and corporate boardrooms and worse yet the doors between government offices and K street lobbyist's digs, guarantees that no matter where one of the bastards is, he or she is doing us some kind of fricking evil. | |