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lizardking
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: Ding Dong, our witch is dead
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I just found out tonight our store coach has lost thier job. I can't tell you all how much this pleases me. This was a very evil person and had everything it had comming to them. I can only hope the morale lifts a little in our store now that they are gone. I shouldn't gloat over someone else's shortcomings, but this is justified. Anyone who knew this person knows how evil they were and knows this is the best thing to happen for us. When countless employees quit before they even start or when 8 managers quit in a 6 month span , I'm sorry, this person deserves this. My only regret is I'm on vacation this week and didn't get the oppertunity to send them off in style. The last 2 and a half years have literally been hell in our store and I'm sure some sort of party is going to occur. I know it's wrong to hate, but when a person tells you from day one that they don't give a crap about you, how else are you supposed to feel? I can only pray for this person and hope one day that they understand that you can't act like they did in life and get away with it for the long haul. Eventually it will catch up to you. I would be lying if I said I didn't hold a drink high in the air after recieving this news. I'll just close this the same way they would... "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!"
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earthy
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:29 am Post subject:
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Congrats, but don't get too excited because they all take the "Corporate Brainwash" class before are appointed to a store coach position so you got rid of one moron but will get another one soon.
Every time I thought "YES, Our Store Coach is Gone" in the past comes another douche bag so good luck with the next one.
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LYNN
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Location: Was Somewhere in FL, Now In IL
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject:
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If I was Store Coach, like I ran the Shoe Dept.; nothing like that would happen. Nobody needs be feared of and when it comes to cooperation. Please and thank you goes a long way; much better than scare tactics and having cowering associates. Kindness and consideration is the rule with me.
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allhandsabandonship
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject:
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| earthy wrote: |
Congrats, but don't get too excited because they all take the "Corporate Brainwash" class before are appointed to a store coach position so you got rid of one moron but will get another one soon.
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Even if they aren't an evil corporate moron when they walk in the door, they are forced to dumb down quickly. The honeymoon for a new manager lasts about 2 days. Then the calls start coming in from higher management: Where are the credit apps, PA's, credit apps, PA's, credit apps, PA's, credit apps, PA's.....Then to vary the torture they get pounded over the other hundred "metrics" the company has devised. Unless a store manager lands in one of the few good markets for Sears, failure is near certain. A dying company is not a good place to take a lower level management job (meaning any position below Lampert).
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dictators_rule
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: intimidation
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There must have been a point in Sears history where a store manager was actually a very powerful & prestigious position but since Lacy took over they have been nothing but enforcers.
And that's the scary part-someone taught or mentored the SC wanna bes which means there are plenty more where that came from.
Hope the new coach knows how to deal with PEOPLE.Had a coach who left last year that the even the customers couldn't stand.Was nothing but a Napoleon complexed career frustrated wannabe.
WARNING-DANGER WILL ROBINSON
The most dangerous wanna be or coach to watch out for beside the outsiders are the Sears employees around the 20 year mark.There are alot with those years who have fell under the radar being at the 15 year mark or so when the merger completed.Sooner or later mr ed will start giving these folk offers they can't refuse-my way or the highway which they will in turn pass down to YOU.
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allhandsabandonship
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: intimidation
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| dictators_rule wrote: |
There must have been a point in Sears history where a store manager was actually a very powerful & prestigious position but since Lacy took over they have been nothing but enforcers.
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Like everything else with this company, it's been a long decline. The downhill slide for the store manager position began in the mid 70's when the company recentralized the buying functions into regional offices. From then on, the store managers really couldn't do much to affect sales, but were still held responsible for results. It's a classic problem of responsibility without authority, and it drives any sane person crazy.
They've cycled so many people through these jobs over the years, there aren't many halfway sane people left who would even consider working in Sears management. Word gets around leaving Sears with only the crazy and incompetent to choose from.
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dinosore
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject:
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The new store managers are only going to get worse. The reason is, every new one they hire is there to straighten out what the last one f***ed up and in turn they wind up making it worse. Do you see how bad managementit is perpetuated?
It has only gotten worse and more obvious in the last few years.
Peace
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dictators_rule
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: Boiler Room
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You got it dinosore:unscrewing YEARS of previous management manglers.But that goes back to the top wether it be Lacy or Lampert.
I've worked for other companies as well but I have never seen a company with the volume of weak management.And Sears is the only place I have felt I was being spoken to by a THUG.I liken Sears management to the Ben Affleck character in the movie "The Boiler Room" or 'Reggie from the movie 'Suckers".
Enjoy her departure LK because Sears mass produces this crap.
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allhandsabandonship
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject:
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| dinosore wrote: |
The new store managers are only going to get worse. The reason is, every new one they hire is there to straighten out what the last one f***ed up and in turn they wind up making it worse.
Peace |
Exactly right. First they blame all the problems on the previous manager and expect the new person to save the day. Then the newbies get thrown into the lions den with no resources or authority to get anything done. Most of them make a valiant attempt for a few months, until they are emotionally and physically ruined. They might hang on for a few years, just making things worse and bringing down morale. Then the turnover process starts again. Years go by and nothing improves.
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dictators_rule
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: when it gets hot
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Yeap
And when the newbies get pressured they will not only turn to PA pressure like their predecessors they will scrap any plans they did have to do anything different.In other words they'll just go into to me first survival mode-pa and credit app production.
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Major Appliance
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allhandsabandonship
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:
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The Peter Principle has it's uses and probably explains part of what goes on at Sears. It doesn't really get at issues of the dysfunctional structure and unrealistic expectations. In my experience, Sears doesn't promote the incompetent, it makes people incompetent. Fix the structure and they'd have a lot easier time finding people who can succeed.
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dictators_rule
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: makes the manager
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good point allhands-the system manufactures the incompetence.
Problem is though being part of 'the system' requires a very compliant yes person which makes it less likely that 'the system' will be challanged.Throw in some upper management that has the attitude of the old doctors who had to stay up a week straight in medical school-I had to do it so should you the chances are GREATLY diminished anything will be fixed.
The compliant culture also a creates a race for the life boats-everyone figures I'd did what I was told or am going to do what I was told so I deserve a seat on the lifeboat.Nothing but a bunch of frisbee chasers and leg humpers.
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lizardking
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:56 am Post subject:
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I don't want anyone to think I think I've seen the worst Sears has to offer. I know there are people on here that knew my store manager and know just how insane this person was, and I do mean INSANE. But, I also know something worse is around the corner. For now, I have a hard time believing anything could be worse than my last 2 and a half years. I have personally been no more paranoid about doing anything as others have since this person has been there. I'm just glad they are gone and I welcome the next challange. I heard this person's bosses have said we in no way represent what we want our company to be. That tells me even these people knew our manager was insane. Do I believe that? I will for now, untill I see for myself if the next in line is just as bad if not worse than the last person. I want nothing more than this to company to succeed. But it's these constant dismal decisions they keep making that make me believe that our end is near.
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Major Appliance
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject:
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Ya know... fear, mistrust and all that goes with those feelings are exactly the opposite of the videos Allwyn was yapping on about
If the management staff cannot 'walk the talk' on that stuff, how did they expect the rank-and-file to do so?
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lizardking
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:39 am Post subject:
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| Major Appliance wrote: |
Ya know... fear, mistrust and all that goes with those feelings are exactly the opposite of the videos Allwyn was yapping on about
If the management staff cannot 'walk the talk' on that stuff, how did they expect the rank-and-file to do so? |
Why do you think our company has such a high turn over from it's employees? And I'm talking management and associates. Everyone is seeing through this crap like swiss cheese and is getting out before it eats them alive. When the message is "Do as I say, not as I do." that's not a very credible message. You are right Major, management does a piss poor job of "walking the talk" message. Accountability starts at the top and when we little people see little of it from them, how on earth is it supposed to be taken seriously?
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dictators_rule
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: bUt
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LKs bosses-we in no way represent what we want our company to be
But they continued to enforce the status quo for the company as management? You right transparency leads to lack of credibility.
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Why07
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: Worst Store coach
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Anyone that has the worst store coach ... Let them know in northeast Ohio. They've got a store coach with a turnover rate well over 40%!!!!
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ihateads
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:52 am Post subject:
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hello lizardking, i just want to start by saying i can truely understand where you are coming from because my store also had the honor of having your store coach. i can agree with everything you are saying. they were pure evil and that is really mean to say about someone but its the truth. our people in our store were always on edge when they came in. i can say the news spread quickly through our store and to others that used to work there when the store coach did. everyone was in party mode. i do have to say it should get better at least in our store it did. it is so much more of a relaxed atmosphere.
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lizardking
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:55 am Post subject:
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| ihateads wrote: |
| hello lizardking, i just want to start by saying i can truely understand where you are coming from because my store also had the honor of having your store coach. i can agree with everything you are saying. they were pure evil and that is really mean to say about someone but its the truth. our people in our store were always on edge when they came in. i can say the news spread quickly through our store and to others that used to work there when the store coach did. everyone was in party mode. i do have to say it should get better at least in our store it did. it is so much more of a relaxed atmosphere. |
Let me welcome you to the board ihateads. I feel honored my thread is the first you posted on. I'll tell you something my old man told me growing up and as much as it might offend people it's 100% true, it isn't mean if it's true. If someone is an asshole, that's not being mean, it's stating a fact.
I will also say our store is a lot more relaxed and personally I think it's a little too relaxed. Don't get me wrong, I still think our store coach being terminated was a good move, but now people have become to complacent. I won't let my gaurd down ever again. 99% of the people in my store think the worst is over and now it's time to party. I'm glad they are gone, but I did my happy dance for about 10 minutes and now I want to know what's ahead for us. You had direct contact with this person so that's refreshing to me to know you know what that person represented...evil. Thanks for your response ihateads
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